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09-18-2008, 04:01 AM
Just to let all of those thinking of coming to this company..Don't. No more defined benefit retirement for now on. No more retiree medical if you hire on from now on.. The Union Insurance sucks... they just about deny any claim if they can. If you can find a provider in your area. You are constantly calling a 800 number to talk this insurance provider to explain why a procedure needs to be done...Everything you do is scrutinized after the fact by management. Heaven forbid you get into a fender bender, if you do have one you will have to talk to the President of the company via phone confererence to explain why it happened. Work is being farmed out, any job worth doing is questioned by management whether an (in house crew) can do the job in time because you have to sit in on meetings for hours cutting down on your productivity. Every day a new policy is presented in a stand up meeting and you have to sign a form that you were made aware of the policy. Each day is set on a schedule not taking into consideration if job has been planned out accordingly. You must wear steel toe boots provided by you, minimal reimbursement from the company. We have been giving contract after contract meals paid for by the individual while performing work for the company after hours. Company has developed a "Rat out your fellow worker program" for you to call any misconduct but if you do call, meeting will take place to assure you that the call in is not for items you may feel need looked into. If you are a forman on a job you have to call in at an outage start and at finish. Foremen are required to be the watch and the grunt a great deal of the time because we don't have ground help anymore or truck drivers so you are expected to be safety watch and get all of the items ready for the men in the air. Think twice....
09-18-2008, 06:51 AM
09-18-2008, 09:51 AM
I worked for PP&L from May 78 until Dec. 86 under a contract with UWA union. This region was basically the old Rocky Mt. Power which had merged with PP&L.
This was the best contract I have ever worked under. It was very simple and straightforward.
All OT. was doubletime. Period. Simple. All mealtimes were designated as 1800 hrs., Midnight and so on ever 6 hrs. If worked past a given meal time for 3 hrs. or more then you were awarded an additional hr. of straight time, in essence triple time until you were released to eat. The only catch was you were not awarded the additional hr. if you volunteered to work. You had to ask management if they wanted you to continue or go eat. I only got caught on that once. I always asked. All callouts were 2 hr. minimum. About standard. You were stuck with standby every 4th weekend. Every increment of 8 hrs. or less you stood by, you were awarded 1 hr. of straight time pay in addition to your callouts. On a normal weekend you were awarded 8 hrs. of straight time pay in addition to your ot. In some instances you could draw quadruple time. For example on a holiday you were paid at the straight time rate, if called out then double time and if going past a given meal time then an additional hr. Thus quadruple time. You were given a max. of 30 minutes to show up for a call out. Most callouts were worked alone and of course we climbed alone with out a bucket. At the last we did have a small squirt boom, one man bucket. Rarely used on callouts.
During the time when base yrly. compensation was about 25 thousand I usually averaged about 40 thousand. Insurance was about average as I remember and there was no 401 K at the time, only a once a year reduction in the market price of co. stock made available for employees. There was vacation and earned sick leave along with family sick leave. This was abused so much that in 86 they went to a lump sum of leave and you could take it in the way you thought you wanted to. No more sick leave.
I knew it would not last and in 86 the 100% double time went. I think they still have some double time provisions but not like then.
It was a good contract for awhile but I can guarantee if you have a better contract than other companies in the region they are plotting to slowly eat away at it until you are all basically the same.
The kind of employee they like is one who is in debt for his new trucks, cars and house. The more so, the more they like it. I have known many people who probably could not afford a strike. This is the way they want it. Don't think they don't know these things.
There was a lot of good aspects of this contract, but always be wary of change. I think they rubber glove in this area now. Should never have went for that but so many employees come from gloving regions that they are for it. Pretty dumb. Much easier to glove than stick. Most any person can be taught to glove rather quickly vs. sticking. Sticking is a higher notch in skill than a glover.
Oh well, Bellamy hang in there and keep solidarity. Fight Right to Work laws etc. It's a bad thing.
Finished up with Pub. Serv. Co. of Ok. They thought they had a "Cadillac" agreement. I had to laugh. It took a lawyer to understand it. What was funny ever time you worked in a different area they had a different way of keeping time etc. Management didn't understand the agreement any better than the hands.
09-18-2008, 09:57 AM
Welcome to our world. We 'v been dealing with alot of those issues since 95. Our contract is coming up and its not going to be good. Between PC and MEC we gota start getting together and take a stand. Work for the richess man in the world and Sokal and Able get somewhere around 60 mil in bouness and they want to take money from us. They say that they want to be the top ut in the country but that doesn't apply to how they treat employees. Poeple should be knocking the door down to go to work here but they aren't. We've been having guys take jobs off the street and work as little as one day and quit. Used to be around here that when they went to the street they came from contracters but now its changing that guys are leaving to GO to a contractor. At some point they are going to have to WAKE UP and realize that its US that make the company money. We're the one who make the customers happy and get their lights back on and keep them on, at least when the company lets us. It really gets old when they tell you that they have the best employees but then want to take bennies away. Great being a MUSHROOM ISN'T IT!
09-19-2008, 09:10 PM
Its amazing to hear that industry wide and coast to coast the same refrain is heard, dumb, in debt employees, and greedy companies are killing us. Every contract, the membership accepts the last best rather than putting up a fight. They nickel and dime us until there is nothing left, but we just keep voting yes. I am second generation at my utility, I love my job but I know that where I work now bears little resembalance to the company my father worked for. The changes are negative, and yet the company has a hard time getting quality new hires, and they can't figure out why. A good example that we love is we just got the J.D. powers number one utility in the NE, but we have the third lowest pay scale, and one of the highest cost of living to disposable incomes in the country. You would like to think that managment would see the error of their ways, but I doubt it.
Yours truly, A coffee drinking bucket monkey (in the words of our pres.)
09-19-2008, 11:56 PM
It is the future for all investor owned. Boils down to one thing, bottom line! If you have 20 years with and outfit and are 50ish, it is pretty **** hard to uproot and start over. And the grass isn't always greener, but the old PPL was hard to beat. It is corporate greed at its best. I would prefer more small towns to cancel and not renew franchise agreements and start their own utillities, best interest of the consumer and not allowing the richest man in the world to fill his pockets at his empoyees expense.
09-20-2008, 12:13 AM
This is in regards to the current post about not working @ either Pacific Power or Mid American Energy or now Constellation Energy Baltimore Gas and Electric.
I must say that the IBEW's locals, 499 109 and 125's Recommendation Committee should all be held accountable for what is going on at these three companies. After all the negotiations are done, the contract that is bought to the floor to vote on is always Recommended by these Committees.
These Committees are bringing this garbage to a vote, and recommending these packages to their members. Their is no mention of a Strike Vote etc. I have found out by experience and talking to other members of these three locals, that most of the topics being discussed are never let out until a day or two before the Committee recommends this package to the Union Body to Vote on.
Most of the Voting that I am aware of taking place for a new contract is by a mail in Ballot. Many years ago their was a show of hands and the vote was taken then. Not anymore!!!! The votes are being counted in secret, by the person the union says will count them. The last contract for Local 499 passed 73% yes 27% no. We need to go back to the good old days and vote for a contract at the Union Hall not done in secret!!!! It is the old conquer and divide method. When did the International start allowing this practice. Most people who are voting on the contract are ill informed. I fault the Union leadership for this problem. These people get the mail in and ballot and go ahead and vote yes, without any thought about the ramifications of that yes vote. All because of misinformation.
I get so sick and tired of people not knowing the contract or what the contract they just voted on was about. All the care about is realizing a paycheck every other Friday.
These I.B.E.W. locals are selling their members down the river, especially with these companies. As the original poster stated these companies are having a very hard time finding qualified people. The reason's are evident, thanks to the Local Unions.
1. New hires get no retirement, they must fund their own 401k plan, to bad if the person had ten kids and was not able to contribute to his 401k plan because his hourly wage would allow it. Only one income household. The IBEW thinks their are all 2 wage earners in each family. WRONG!!!! So have members vote out the Defined Benefit Pension Plan, and vote in an Enhanced 401k plan. Look at what has happened to the 401k plans
down 35%. Recommendation Committee was all for this, fund your own Pension.
2. Retiree Medical Accounts: Company will contribute so much money for every year of service up until you retire. Some locals only gave credit for the first 10 years of service, and after the contract was voted on the new amount would accrue until retirement. Many a Union person was not given any credit for years after 10 years the company was liable to pay. Here is an example
A. Person has 28 years of Union Service. Company gave $3500 for the first ten years of service for a total of $35,000 towards RMA account.
B. After Contract Was Ratified on that Date, the company would then contribute $2500 for each additional year up until retirement. Now the person in the above example who had 28 years of Union Membership lost 18 years of service that received no money. First 10 years of service after contract signed then it would start again.
Now remember this was the garbage the Unions Recommendation Committee recommended its members vote in.
Anyone over 50 years stays on the old medical plan. Company fully paid for employee and would supplement spouses insurance.
What if only one person works in the household and the other person never worked outside of the house and never has another companies medical insurance to fill the gap.
Another fatal error by our recommendation committee
I get the feeling that these Unions are beginning to sell their members down the river. Look at Pacificorp Local 125 Recommending their members pensions be frozen. WHATTTTTTTTTTTT!!!!!!!! is wrong with that picture
IBEW SUCKS WE NEED CHANGE
09-20-2008, 02:40 AM
09-20-2008, 06:27 PM
These corporations don't give two hoots about their empoyees, we are just a necessary liability. One screw up and you get a letter, two and they try to fire you. You can bet if they could operate with out any of us they would. They are interested on only one thing, profit! And high ratings in customer satisfaction in the industry. Every wonder who 8 out 10 customers appreciate and trust??????? Lineman/crews who get their lights on and try to help them.
09-21-2008, 02:53 AM
I would like to second brother bellamy's point! Its easy to sit back and blame the local, and or the I.B.E.W., who is the local......WE ARE!!!! So when I hear guys piss on thier local, I just laugh because all they are doing is pointing the finger at themselves! Take action instead of pissing and moaning, attend meetings, volunteer as a labor council appointee, do anything but just *****!!!
09-21-2008, 12:56 PM
If memory serves me correct, a member of this forum was involved via a comitte, in his IBEW local of pacificorp,, the other IBEW local that represented Pacificorp employess was in negotiations, he contacted that local and wanted information to take to his locals meetings prior to negotiations, when his local found out, he was promptly removed from his position on the comittee.
People can point fingers, complain, ***** and moan, but until all members stand together, nothing will or can be done. And in this day and age, I doubt true collective bargening, unity, and representation will ever be reached. That includes IBEW or UWUA! UWUA of pacificorp is next in line, with all of the power houses under that local, a strike might be the answer, but with all the toys and loans the big dollars have brought about, do you think it will happen??
09-21-2008, 01:42 PM
IN THE SHADOWS
09-21-2008, 02:02 PM
Sit back and:
Blame the UWUA
Blame the IBEW
Blame the negotiating committee
Blame the executive board
Blame the business manager
Blame the rep
Blame the union hall clerical staff
WTF lets blame the janitor and the lawn mowers too
I dont give a flyin FU*K how poor the contract explaination meetings were or whether there was a reccomendation or not or even if the contract explaination meetings were ram rodded through like it was in Portland.
Pat yourselves on the back for fighten for and passin a good contract and take the blame like a man for passin a **** contract like these ( ON THE FIRST FU*KN VOTE). There aint no one to blame but ourselves.
09-24-2008, 03:22 AM
I blame no one but myself for remaining at this place..I guess I didn't yell loud enough at the Union meeting to those 6 guys who made it each month even though I posted notice on our board and on the entry door each month. I guess the flyers I wrote and posted to attend meetings and get informed didn't have big enough print for others to read. I guess the mass emails I put out to get others to show up with proposals for our upcoming contract proposal meeting were not catchey enough to drum up support, and it failed to get many other proposals other than mine. It has been a very good living up to this point. I just hate to see it go down so quickly at my generations watch. It really sucks to be one of the ones around who knew what is was like in the good old days. I respect the old timers from the 50's and 60's they would all join together on a just cause. I was amazed to see a Defined Pension and Future Retiree Medical for all New Hires go in one lousey vote. ( New Hires are the ones we screwed the last contract by ending their pension first, and then again with this new contract eliminating them getting retiree medical from here on out) I have never agreed with voting out conditions I have had for future members. Its the screw you I got mine attitude. I tried to round up the troops but soon realized how far that got me. I see they used numbers to split the vote by getting the majority of the workers 53 and above and those New Hires from the last contract I voted "NO" on to vote "Yes" on this one. I do know one day that I too will become old and retire. I just hope all of those young guys who no longer have a pension or medical insurance at reitrement will vote to continue my retiree medical, even though my generation voted theirs "Gone" years before. I know the Old Hands who sacraficed everything long ago and organized for the betterment must be turning in their graves seeing what has become of the trade they fought so hard for. What will happen on your Watch?
09-27-2008, 05:14 PM
I hear you buddy! I am in that tailend of the "baby boomers" category, and all I can remember is striff throughout my work life. Recession, oil crisis, savings and loan fiasco, Enron, clinton and the mess he built and left to us now. If the powers to be, don't turn this one around, no one will be able to retire. We as Americans need to do more, but that falls on deaf ears. As does the union issues you speak of. I guess it is just a sign of the times. UWUA is next.
10-16-2008, 12:24 AM
Lke the old lineman have taught and preached to us youngens, the company hasnt hired many apes in so long that we are subject to something like pacificorp, so they are all for getting as many apes hired and goin in the trade before all them retire so they can preach what they have work and faught for. I for one have thaught to myself that we youngens that have seen this will inform the new apes and we will band together again, to be strong. just hope they see it the same. I believe they will do to the fact that alot of our generation has a lot of anger and bad feelings against the giants of the world and thier " beatdown the avg. joe" tactics. Ps Be union or ill put a bullet in your head U Rat.
10-26-2008, 12:19 PM
Managment does not want to manage benefits or hand them out to employees. They would love just wages, and let you deal with your own, retirement, health, and vacation. "BOTTOM LINE"! More money in the "Man's" pocket, so he can buy more. Now you know why buffet supports obama, obama is the best bet to provide socialized benefits. If the socialist/liberal government hands out benefits, at taxpayers expense, (us) and then we have to turn around and pay our costs for the same benefits, since we work, the big corporations can walk away from those costs, and guess what? "MAKE MORE MONEY"!
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