A climbing phonie, I love it. I it is nice to see that some of you guys still do. More power to you, in my neck of the woods I can say that I have never seen such a person. I like my wescos, but they don't give you as much support as hoffmans do and they tend to run wide. I just had mine resoled by hoffman with their climbing sole. It was the best 100 bucks I have spent in a while. Either way you get a nice boot. The wescos do have the extra added benefit of being made in the U.S. I'm not sure if hoffman uppers are or not. The people at hoffman are as nice as can be. Either way you end up supporting a good business that will support their product.