The Nancy Pelosi Hall Of Shame

[CenterPointEX]

Ironhead... Your religion teaches that "Only the strong survive!" Your religion teaches that the weak will be evolved off the map... Your religion Ironhead is the religion Hitler used to justify getting rid of a weak race and promoting the strong race..

Ironhead... you worship the religion of Evolution... a god of Chance!

MY Father in heaven teaches me to care for the poor... to take care of my family... to love my enemies... to pray for those who hate me...

Do agree Ironhead with being taxed at a fifty percet rate... in order to pay your neighbors bills... No matter if it is just that they are lazy and don't feel like working?


Do you understand Ironhead... that prior to a Welfare State... Peoples families took care of them if the got down on thier luck?... Do you understand that in a family... there is a responsibility for every able bodied person to contribute to the welfare of the family... Do you understand that it was very rare that folks lived in a family and did not contribute? Because they had a sense of responsibility to the family... Do you understand Ironhead... That a welfare state removes those responsibilities?... Those responsibilities are taken over by the State... So in essence, the State becomes your Father, your mother, your brother, your sister... Your MASTER... Eventually you become a SLAVE to the STATE.....

It is called SOCIALISM... It does not now work... It has never worked in the Past... It will not work in the Future... If they nationalize the banks... they hold your morgage... The state owns your home... at any time the wish... they forclose... and now... Private Property is a thing of the past... The forth PLANK of the communist manifesto.... Is this what you want Ironhead? Will you go grinning off the Cliff following President Hussinsane?

[PA BEN]

[QUOTE=IronLine;55764]"Back in the day Ironhead... That was the way it worked... and if'n you didn't work... chances are you didn't eat"

LOL!!! If you believe that is the way it should be, don't ever preach your christian bull on here again.QUOTE]

I can tell you've never read God's word.

2 Thessalonians 3

7For you yourselves know how you ought to follow our example, because we did not act in an undisciplined manner among you,

8nor did we eat anyone's bread without paying for it, but with (P)labor and hardship we kept working night and day so that we would not be a burden to any of you;

9not because we do not have the right to this, but in order to offer ourselves as a model for you, so that you would follow our example.

10For even when we were with you, we used to give you this order: (if anyone is not willing to work, then he is not to eat, either.

[loner]

does anyone with any sense have any idea what ironhead is talking about?using his thinking should everyone in this country except indians be forced to leave? what my point is welfare is being raped by people who work the system,3rd and 4th generations that have been raised on it. what about the lady who just had 8 babies? you gonna tell me that wasnt for more welfare?

[IronLine]

Boner, what I'm saying is just an exaggeration on your words like you exaggerated on mine. I agree that there needs to be reform to the welfare system. Getting rid of it altogether is not the answer. There will always be a need for it, people get down on their luck. Shit happens. Thats a safety net. I've never said that it isn't abused, I completely agree with that.

PA, I was raised Southern Baptist, converted to Presbyterian, and am now an atheist, I HAVE read the bible many times. Any of these sound familiar?

Deut. 15:7. If there is a poor man among you, one of your brothers, in any of the towns of the land which the LORD your God is giving you, you shall not harden your heart, nor close your hand to your poor brother; but you shall freely open your hand to him, and generously lend him sufficient for his need in whatever he lacks.

Luke 3:11. And [John the Baptist] would answer and say to them, "Let the man with two tunics share with him who has none, and let him who has food do likewise."

1 John 3:17. But whoever has the world's goods, and beholds his brother in need and closes his heart against him, how does the love of God abide in him?

Acts 2:44. All those who had believed were together, and had all things in common; and they began to sell their property and possessions, and share them with all, as anyone might have need.

Acts 4:32-35. And the congregation of those who believed were of one heart and soul; and not one of them claimed that anything belonging to him was his own, but all things were common property to them. And with great power the apostles were giving witness to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus, and abundant grace was upon them all. For there was not a needy person among them, for all who were owners of land or houses would sell them and bring the proceeds of the sales and lay them at the apostles' feet; and they would be distributed to each, as any had need.

(Oh crap! Those last two sound awful communistic don't they?)

And CenterPrick, you are chock full of scaredy cat zealot rhetoric. Foreclose on your home whenever they want? Maybe in a 3rd world country. You think everyone's family should take care of their own? Yeah, once again in a perfect world that would work. This ain't it dude.

And if the problem is people are lazy and don't want to work, how do we get them off of welfare and willing to work? There will always be those looking to abuse the system.

50% of people on welfare are off within the first 2 years. 38% of the people on it are white, and 40% of the people only have 1 child. That dumbass bi!ch who had 8 more kids was simply an idiot.

Whew. Okay. Round 6 lets go!

[CenterPointEX]

I agree with your Bible Quotes StiffRodend... But not a single one of those verses give us license to do the Robin Hood thing... Robin Hood stole from people of means... and gave to people without... I willing give to Gods work... which includes alms for the poor... Taking time out of my schedule to go and work on homes of those who are down on their luck... But Ironbrain... That does not mean... that I condone them digging into your wallet and forcing you to do the same...

Are you IronLine on record as being a Fan of forcing BANKS to lend money to folks to buy a home they can not afford... because they are non producers?... are you a fan of giving a McDonalds Worker a half million dollar home... funded by your taxes... I think not IronLIne... I really don't think thats what you want... So what exactly is it you are defending in the Obama Administration... HIs willingness to eradicate God from this country... or his sending 17k more troops to Afghanistan?

Do you understand IronLine... that the BAnks are in the process of being nationalized? Do you understand what that means?........ That is the proceedure by which Socialists take over. That is a plank of the Socialist Manifesto.... When they own the banks LineRod... They own the morgages... The American Gov. has never before taken over private banks... They in takng over bussinesses are now telling bussiness what to pay thier execs... where and where not to do bussiness.... and how to do bussiness... Why is it such a far stretch for you that they could forclose on your morgage... Why is it such a far strech for you that after taking over private enterprise... that they will next come after your wallet... your guns... your home... your life... they will begin to tell you where to work and where to live... That Sir is how it works in Socialist Countries... do you deny this is how it works in Socialist Countries... IN China... they tell them how many children they can have... The force them to kill any subsequent childdren... In China they tell them what god they can or can not worship...?????? Is that what you want for America.... CAuse thats what I hear you saying in your support for OBamas Push townards Socialism and away from Free Enterprise...........? WTF?????????

And prior to the welfare state IrlonLine... it did work... families did take care of each other... But now...we got a President... with a brother living in a grass hut eating worms... with no help from his brother... the President of the United States of America... Barrock Insane Obama

[loner]

so the govt cant/wont take your house or property? eminent domain ever hear of it?not many whites in oakland/detroit/east l.a./new orleans/ florida/arizona /texas/ etc.come to ironhead land where all is free care of the govt.by the way ,where does govt. get the money to pay for these socialist programs?

[IronLine]

Eminent Domain has been around way before you two being concerned about the banks being nationalized and them foreclosing on your homes. I think its a pretty fricked up policy, but hell, how else are the utilities going to get their right of ways?

I've never said that I believe banks should be forced to give loans to people who can't afford them. I DO believe that banks should be forced to give loans to those with the means to pay them, regardless of color of skin. The banks got themselves into these situations by PREDATORY LENDING. They would bring people in, talk them into loans without a fixed rate, and then screw them. When they screwed all the money they could out of them, they foreclose on the home.

What am I defending the Obama administration on? Lets see, the creation of jobs by pumping money into our infrastructure, building roads, money into our electrical grid, money into our education system so maybe American kids will come out of our sub-par schools a little less retarded than they are now. So that maybe we can compete as a nation on a global level once more. His sending 17k more troops into Afghanistan? You better believe I support that. Or does the idea of sending troops into the right war rub you the wrong way? The undermanned, undersupplied war where young Americans are dying fighting our REAL enemy?

So you don't think that we (the taxpayers) should be able to tell the execs of these corporations (who we bailed out) how much they should make? We OWN these companies, or we should. And I'll be damned if I will let some sonuvabitch exec take a bonus when they are still in the shitter thanks to their own faulty and corrupt plans. China? You can honestly tell me that you think we are going to turn into China? I feel bad for you if you can say that with a straight face Center.

BUT...I will make both you, Center, and you, Loner a deal. If in fact, we turn into a socio-communistic nation, with the gov't owning us and putting us to work on farms and kneeling down to Dear Leader, I will buy both of you a gov't brewed, bottled, and sold beer

[IronLine]

So are you saying don't help them, let the situation get worse, surrounding home values drop, local economy go down blah blah blah like was discussed several posts back, or are you asking for more money to help people who aren't in danger?

And yes, the government is interested in helping those who pay their mortgages and taxes on time, that is included in the program. The opportunity to refinance at lower interest rates even if your property has decreased in value.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/09/02...or-homeowners/

[IronLine]

Where in the world are you pulling a 50% pork rating? Or are you just basing that figure on what YOU and your neo-con buddies are calling pork? Found it kinda funny that a bunch of your republican Reps who were deadset against the stimulus package are now crying out for the money, calling it "critical funding"

http://www.eyesonobama.com/blog/cont...-Voted-Against

And if people want to protest, they are free to do so partner. Its their American Right. Its about damn time that people in this country start making their voices heard, regardless of what their stance is.

[PA BEN]

YES. Been there done that, and still do. But don't give them a free ride to sit on there butts and make a living. Earn your welfare. Welfare is to help people get by, so they can get on there feet again. Not a license to do nothing and make money.