Health care plan

[barehander]

Something from the past.....
An interesting listen of a speech from Ronald Reagan in 1961.
His father-in-law was the President of the AMA who sponsered this speech.
Take it how you will..........
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EiyfG4WMxA0

[mainline]

I don't think that Obama goes far enough. If we want to look at the question objectively, what does private health care currently cost in this country, and what do we get for it? My health care costs around $13,000 a year. A large amount of that is because of the large amount of people who are uninsured or under insured. We pay for them one way or another. Consider that the primary treatment option for uninsured people is a trip to the emergency, and the cost of that visit averages around $1,500, as opposed to 75 bucks at a primary care doctor. We pay more for insurance, because the companies spread the cost of those trips around to all of us who are insured. It would therefor make more sense if all people had access to primary care as opposed to just emergency care. The other side of the equation is that 30% of our private insurance costs go to overhead and paperwork. That is ridiculous. Medicare administrative costs are around 1%. Why are we are we paying private insurers 29% more than medicare for those services? We don't need this bullshit public option plan, we need true single payer healthcare. Look up HR 676 the bill that proposes true single payer care. I'm sick of paying insurance execs millions in salaries and bonuses lets pay it to actually cover everyone.

[scamplineman]

What in the fu[k does 9/11 have to do with Iraq????

Jeez.. I don't know. Harboring terrorist??
You probably forgot about that lie>>>>

Pick and choose your words out of the sentence to make it read what benefits your agenda, you stupid old welfare RAT.

[koca]

Mianline you present a well thought out and informed opinion I appreciate it. I looked up HR 676 seems interesting, given the current state of the medicare system I don't know if its the answer but interesting, as with any universal plan the question funding comes up. My present insurance is also over $13,000 a year, about 1/3 is out of my pocket, for coverage that just plain sucks. While I'm not happy with my current insurance I just don't think that the Obama public option plan is in my best interest. Medical care is big bussiness in this country and with huge profits at stake it will be very hard to change, no matter how badly it is needed, that being said tort reform as it pertains to malpractice would be a huge step in the right direction.

[500 KVA]

What are you talking about Fu(kwad? 9/11????

We are on healthcare and insurance dumbass. Read instead of shooting off your mouth first.

I never supported the dipshits plan to attack Iraq. EVER!!!! I think you're about retarded. How does this even have anything to do with this subject?

Yep $50 a month healthcare. Sounds good to me. Why doesn't it to you? I guess you like paying thousands. Shows how bright you are. We you are a Republican I believe. Answers alot.

You know why it will never be $50 a month as long as there are dickheads like you? Because you're just plain STUPID! Your entire party is.

"Public provided healthcare is bad because insurance companies couldn't compete and go out of business!" Yea, and what's your point? I'd like to see those crooks go out of business. They are crooks too!!!!!!!!!!!!

Pretty sad to see doctors who head the decision making part of these insurance companies. (Who gets coverage and who doesn't.) Crying when testifying before congress about how they have betrayed their commitments to the people who need help because the heads of the insurance companies reward the answer NO. They were ashamed!

Now I know where you Republicans are getting this NO from. Payed to do so by special interest Billionares. It makes sense.

Insurance companies call a denial to a patients health care claim a profit. Paying a claim is called a loss. If they can get out of paying they will. They have teams of investigators that go into your medical past to find anything to be able to say NO under "previous condition". But they don't seem to care much while collecting your premium payments.

McCallun Texas has the highest cost healthcare in the country and no better health of the population there. Why so high a cost there? Investigators have found rampant kickbacks to doctors from the hospitals there as just one cause. The doctors are demanding $500,000 a year to send there patients to those hospitals, willing to or having to pay, for those tests.

So lets go ahead and trust the AMA when they say the public healthcare option is bad. Lets listen to the drug companies as well. Hell lets listen to the Billionaires at the insurance comapnies too. Why not? They ain't got nothing to lose except their Billions!

Here's another one that tickles me. "Do you want some government bureucrat deciding if you get a test or an operation? Yes. They'll have to answer to the President (NO matter who is president at the time), congress and the americam people. Who do those handful of private insurance company decision makers answer to? O yea! thier greedy board of directors who view a payment for a test or operation as A LOSS!

FU(K ALL YOU REpukecans!

[koca]

There is a definite need for change in our health care system, thats never been in question. Huge corp. profits and out of control costs while working people struggle is unacceptable. The question is how do we make this change. Our gov't has a horrible track record of running these kinds of programs, medicare is set to go broke in 2019 and social security in 2042, so do we want to give them a chance to bankrupt another program. I firmly believe that limited gov't oversight along with tort reform and negotiated contracts with providers and drug companys to control costs would better serve the people than a 100% gov't run program. The piont being that without change to the system itself very little will change regardless of who's paying the bill. I don't like paying thousands of a year for insurance I just don't see the the benifit of paying it to the gov't rather than a private provider. Btw if you can come up with sustainable plan to cover everybody in the United States for $50 a month per person I'll vote for you for president.

[scamplineman]

What?
What are you talking about Fu(kwad? 9/11????





We could be living in an Utopia of health care and education and jobs out the a$$ if we had that money spent on a little lie to the American people called Iraq. We could have had our 4,500 dead service personnel not be dead either. Wait since we are calling it Obama's war now the total for him would be somewhere around 100 dead. I guess the 4,400 under Bush are his too!

YOU brought it up you ignorant SOB. Or are you so goddamn ignorant that you don't know how these wars started???!!!

STFU and die

[500 KVA]

What the GOP wants is to keep the fat cats fat. Keep the little man don in the gutter. Never let them see what we really have because they'll want it too. Competition is the American way. So what if the Billionare insurance companies have to compete with the U.S. Government? Why is that wrong?

Your fooling yourselves by thinking you aren't paying for it now. You are you dumb a$$holes! That's what's so funny. It's actually costing us $ 2 Trillion a year. A freaking year dip$hits. And your getting healthcare that ranks 38th in the World behind Morraco. You live less than a Cuban.

What's sad is why the Dems are bowing to anyone. They need to slap your stupid a$$'s and do what needs to be done. The voters will take care of your bankrupt party.

Instead we hesitate and let the limpdicks of the radio and TV scene run afoul with no true facts, and the weak minded take it as gospel. Sooner or later the brainwashing works on those weak minds and it taints our rep.s in congress and they back off. They need to get a spine as well. Fight back.

Call Lipdick what he truley is. A liar, a scumbag, an anarchist, and just for entertainment purposes.

[koca]

The reason the Dems are backing off is because that can't figure out how to pay for it. What do you suggest we do 500kva have a bake sale, thats the thing about socialism sooner or later you run out of everybody elses money.

[koca]

SBatts, you are the stupidest f'cker I have ever has the displeasure to associate with, I've grown tired of your name calling and insults. You embody all that is wrong with this country today, you engage in rhetoric and personal attacks to shift the focus off he issues, because you have no real solutions. You are the simpleton so F'CK OFF.