suggestion for solutions for all these crazy rules that make no sense.

[bobbo]

If we got the oldest old fart linemans with the experience make the rules, instead of all the these stupid people. First of all its got to be done. From one end of the country to the other end, we work different, and if there is a hardhit area we have to work somewhat similiar. Why? If one part of the country is hard hit, we cant discriminate eachother. Its federal money. Blacks, whites. Brown, yellow and non union and union have to work together. If we had some good old old fart council from all around the country make the rules and good practice standards instead of the ****heads who are now in charge, and the lawyers, and all the other idiots who made an industry and a living off our backs. Keep it from getting political. Keep it simple. Union reps and the corporate heads of non union, Canada and U.S. get together and do something. The disparaging rules, disparaging ways of doing simple things, one place we are breaking rules another place its acceptable practice thats the only way it can happen. The engineering, planning, and ability of the world we getting our ass kicked. After watching Korea and Phillipines seeing them climb 80 foot poles and dancing on top arms for graduation of a two week climbing program. We suck. We need to get our **** together. When I went to Japan, no guys, everything push poled. When I went to Korea, nice clean system. If the Asce says we suck, as lineman we should hang our heads in shame. We have too many pariahs that have their fingers in the pie, who have all the power and no knowledge. Lets get our **** together. Of course I am a lineman and drank four beers before I wrote this. I am tired of all the bull****. People telling me how to do it but they never done it. I am not scared, but we have to do something. Not for us, but our families and children. We have to be our own stewards. An electrical union where we are a minority wont help. We need leadership now! And no one is showing up. If you got an idea post it. I know the money are makin you thinking is good, ten years from now or twenty your children have nothing. I see it. Too bad everybody else doesn't see it. Sorry I said disparaging, I think that means we have different ways. Nobody is providing leadership and glue in this trade. We will continue to suffer from stupid people. Ummm thats all I got to say, I feel better now.

[reppy007]

I just finished 3 cases of miller light...a bottle of tequila....and I agree 1000%:D

[Old Line Dog]

I enjoyed your post bobbo.

Every once-in-awhile...ya just get a fcukin Gutfull. And ya just need to Vent. It use to be Ok to do that on this site. AND...once in awhile...it still seems to be tolerated.

I understand your frustration with aspects of our great trade, believe me, I do. I just hope you are close to retirement, because..."Times have changed" man.

Our Trade, as well as many other trades in America, have been "changed"....by mindless, clueless regulations FROM.... our GOVT, and people put into decision making positions....that have no clue of actual "WORK" in the trade they are making decisions about.

FCUK it. It is what it is. The new 'merica. Fcuk THAT too.:mad:

I've only had 2 Rum and Cokes, to write this response. I'll have one more...make no more comments, and just go to bed.

I'm just glad I'm retired. BUT...for the New guys,...commin into the trade....dealin with the fcuksqueeze and all the other BS rules with Rubber, and coverup in the NEW Linework...

It's all GOOD!! :cool: They will never know "Real" Linework...only the "New" "Today" Linework. Which is much better...because it's "Safer". Linework...just needs to hire more of the "New Linemen"...to replace old fcuks that hate the Fcuksqueeze.:D


If we got the oldest old fart linemans with the experience make the rules, instead of all the these stupid people. First of all its got to be done. From one end of the country to the other end, we work different, and if there is a hardhit area we have to work somewhat similiar. Why? If one part of the country is hard hit, we cant discriminate eachother. Its federal money. Blacks, whites. Brown, yellow and non union and union have to work together. If we had some good old old fart council from all around the country make the rules and good practice standards instead of the ****heads who are now in charge, and the lawyers, and all the other idiots who made an industry and a living off our backs. Keep it from getting political. Keep it simple. Union reps and the corporate heads of non union, Canada and U.S. get together and do something. The disparaging rules, disparaging ways of doing simple things, one place we are breaking rules another place its acceptable practice thats the only way it can happen. The engineering, planning, and ability of the world we getting our ass kicked. After watching Korea and Phillipines seeing them climb 80 foot poles and dancing on top arms for graduation of a two week climbing program. We suck. We need to get our **** together. When I went to Japan, no guys, everything push poled. When I went to Korea, nice clean system. If the Asce says we suck, as lineman we should hang our heads in shame. We have too many pariahs that have their fingers in the pie, who have all the power and no knowledge. Lets get our **** together. Of course I am a lineman and drank four beers before I wrote this. I am tired of all the bull****. People telling me how to do it but they never done it. I am not scared, but we have to do something. Not for us, but our families and children. We have to be our own stewards. An electrical union where we are a minority wont help. We need leadership now! And no one is showing up. If you got an idea post it. I know the money are makin you thinking is good, ten years from now or twenty your children have nothing. I see it. Too bad everybody else doesn't see it. Sorry I said disparaging, I think that means we have different ways. Nobody is providing leadership and glue in this trade. We will continue to suffer from stupid people. Ummm thats all I got to say, I feel better now.

[reppy007]

Just think about it bobbo....about anyday now lineman will be able to look at their phones....they will see an app....that app will tell them how to do linework,how to cover properly,how to climb up and down. The foreman will have apps too....the safety man will have apps....some supervisors might have apps.....apprentices will have them too....,hell...why not drink another one:nightmare:

[bobbo]

I loved this trade. Now I dont. It was so fun. Now itsucks.

If I had a magic ball. I would get the best older lineman in the business. Lock them up and create a set of standards that make sense. A simple framework, have three guys (from a workable region) make decisions on accidents. Whats going on now is ridiculous. Have unskilled people make decisions is ridiculous. We will have these blanket rules where we will be taking pole steps and moving phone with class 4s and a blast shield over our faces. I dont have the money, but I have the conviction. Its got to be done. You can check out all the safety books that are generic. In those books every one of them say every block should be grounded when pulling wire. In all your years have you ever seen that done? Its fine print where if sometbing happens on a wire pull, caught rope, bad block, its all on the workers. In the last ten years I had two safety guys tell me I need to put a rolling ground on triplex. They got rid of the short sticks for URD, now I cantsee the probe go in and have to have another guide me because I am stuck behind trees. We need leadership now!

[US & CA Tramp]

If we got the oldest old fart linemans with the experience make the rules, instead of all the these stupid people. First of all its got to be done. From one end of the country to the other end, we work different, and if there is a hardhit area we have to work somewhat similiar. Why? If one part of the country is hard hit, we cant discriminate eachother. Its federal money. Blacks, whites. Brown, yellow and non union and union have to work together. If we had some good old old fart council from all around the country make the rules and good practice standards instead of the ****heads who are now in charge, and the lawyers, and all the other idiots who made an industry and a living off our backs. Keep it from getting political. Keep it simple. Union reps and the corporate heads of non union, Canada and U.S. get together and do something. The disparaging rules, disparaging ways of doing simple things, one place we are breaking rules another place its acceptable practice thats the only way it can happen. The engineering, planning, and ability of the world we getting our ass kicked. After watching Korea and Phillipines seeing them climb 80 foot poles and dancing on top arms for graduation of a two week climbing program. We suck. We need to get our **** together. When I went to Japan, no guys, everything push poled. When I went to Korea, nice clean system. If the Asce says we suck, as lineman we should hang our heads in shame. We have too many pariahs that have their fingers in the pie, who have all the power and no knowledge. Lets get our **** together. Of course I am a lineman and drank four beers before I wrote this. I am tired of all the bull****. People telling me how to do it but they never done it. I am not scared, but we have to do something. Not for us, but our families and children. We have to be our own stewards. An electrical union where we are a minority wont help. We need leadership now! And no one is showing up. If you got an idea post it. I know the money are makin you thinking is good, ten years from now or twenty your children have nothing. I see it. Too bad everybody else doesn't see it. Sorry I said disparaging, I think that means we have different ways. Nobody is providing leadership and glue in this trade. We will continue to suffer from stupid people. Ummm thats all I got to say, I feel better now.

The minimum standard from OSHA. 1910.269(g)(2)(v) - Fall protection equipment is not required to be used by a qualified employee climbing or changing location on poles, towers, or similar structures,

I feel sorry for you, Your company has chosen to make stiffer rules! All they have to do is meet OSHA standards, but they have the right to exceed them if they wish. A lot of the OSHA regs are less stringent than the company rules. It is unfortunate that most companies don't put older lineman in those positions, but anymore the companies want a young engineer in those positions because they are cheaper and make a great scapegoat when something goes wrong. Older lineman will generally stand up to the company bacause they know they can go back in the hooks!!

[lewy]

Most of the rules we have now came about because of accidents. Ground to ground has been around a long time because there was a lot of accidental contact with the hands, the problem now is that some of the rule makers figured that by making someone wear gloves all the time nothing bad can happen ,which we all know is just giving the new guys a false sense of security. We need rules because we know there are men out there that will take unnecessary risks, but we need some balance which requires input from the men doing the work, not just upper management throwing it down our throats when they have never done the work.

[bobbo]

I remember a guy fell off a ladder and broke his leg. They told us we couldnt replace services unless we were tied off or something. What do you tie off to? The gutter? Now these idiots who directly earn their money off the work we do are telling us not to change services. And the planner wanted the pole changed because it had so many open wire services. Then you have the rubber glove man who complains about the failure rate of our gloves and they want us to climb from bottom to top with class 2s. Class 2s are for primary only but we use them for everything after grabbing on phone hooks and nails for thirty feet I think you are going to have failures. The same guy hands out minimum approach distance stickers for our hardhats, what for? Their are some real Einsteins out there. Its amazing how stupid we are getting. They dont think things out at all. God forbid if someone gets hurt, they will make up rules that arent thought through. I told them about common practice in isolated areas, where lineman get jumper cables, bond the center, put the cables on the transformer bushings and eliminate backfeed. I was told you cant do that because they have to be engineered, tested, blah, blah. And a little co op they put those jumpers on every time. And you can hear the generators trying to start and they cant. I learned something to this point, that the more eductuon people have the less willing they are to listen. The more arrogant people are the less likely they will hear you. That old guard we had are retired. We need them back. And get our industry back. The system we have now rewards those that dont make any mistakes. And they dont make mistakes because they are folded up and hiding under a bridge or comfortable sitting behind a desk. And the doers, the guys that are the producers get hamstrung by the slugs.

[US & CA Tramp]

I remember a guy fell off a ladder and broke his leg. They told us we couldnt replace services unless we were tied off or something. What do you tie off to? The gutter? Now these idiots who directly earn their money off the work we do are telling us not to change services. And the planner wanted the pole changed because it had so many open wire services. Then you have the rubber glove man who complains about the failure rate of our gloves and they want us to climb from bottom to top with class 2s. Class 2s are for primary only but we use them for everything after grabbing on phone hooks and nails for thirty feet I think you are going to have failures. The same guy hands out minimum approach distance stickers for our hardhats, what for? Their are some real Einsteins out there. Its amazing how stupid we are getting. They dont think things out at all. God forbid if someone gets hurt, they will make up rules that arent thought through. I told them about common practice in isolated areas, where lineman get jumper cables, bond the center, put the cables on the transformer bushings and eliminate backfeed. I was told you cant do that because they have to be engineered, tested, blah, blah. And a little co op they put those jumpers on every time. And you can hear the generators trying to start and they cant. I learned something to this point, that the more eductuon people have the less willing they are to listen. The more arrogant people are the less likely they will hear you. That old guard we had are retired. We need them back. And get our industry back. The system we have now rewards those that dont make any mistakes. And they dont make mistakes because they are folded up and hiding under a bridge or comfortable sitting behind a desk. And the doers, the guys that are the producers get hamstrung by the slugs.

Like I said I feel sorry for you at that company, But you are preaching to the choir!! Maybe your company should spend a little money training the newbies instead of blanket coverage!
As for this old lineman, I am not coming back to get S--t on!!

[reppy007]

Does everybody where you work feel the same way? If so ,as a group can you guys have a meeting with the supervisor and find a solution.Let him explain,the why's and the why nots.I understand some rules go too far,but you mentioned a ladder and being tied off....why not use your linemans belt and used the safety around the ladders steps,Im sure you have done that before.But anyway,talk to the other guys and have some sort of meeting.....looks like it wont hurt....good luck bobbo:D

[bobbo]

Look I dont know, dont have money but I know this trade really well. I know when you are wearing class 2 and sleeves for everything that means you werent trained well, on 2400 no less. Safety is a cash cow. And so the blanket rules put a lot of money in somebodies pocket. Dont know who.. Dont care. you can talk about accidents all you want, but if you get killed on 2400 or triplex with a 100kv rated bucket thats a lack of training. When you hear somebody tried to a rotation meter on primary thats a lack of training. Whoever says you have to climb with class 2s and sleeves from the bottom to the top has a lack of training, and doesnt know ****. Now one guy who didnt know what he was doing screws it for everybody, that sucks. Most of the country still wears os or leathers for secondary. Most put there **** on below the maximum approachable distance. Most of the country doesnt wear sleeves. A quarter of the country sticks it all and does a good job at it. So when you have a disaster and someoneone doesnt put sleeves on deal with it, dont fire him when he is trying to help. Thats ignorant. Somebody loves these rules that you dont need, the guy making the dollar off it. Umm dont mention Buckingham. or dont mention the Richard Cranium with the binoculars. Its old. So you get nothing done with rules that dont make sense. Thats your problem, not mine. A good lineman friend of mine died on the smallest lack of detail. I knew the apprentice and foreman. When I hear the safety man and the union guy talk about it. The story transformed and took a life of its own, nothing was true after these guys murdered the story. He had a pin bucket, with the shroud on the pin gone. The pin went in between two guts. When he grabbed the static with the hand on the pistol he was burning in two. After thinking about it why would a manufacture have that. All the pin buckets were gone at.that time. And they said thes would all be gone. Guess what there back. The same ones. Same place. And everybody forgot how he died. The safety men trash his name. The insulated shrouds are all off the pin buckets and now you are wearing gloves and sleeves cradle to cradle. Too me thats ignorant. Take a good man throw his name in the mud. Than let people use the same bucket type he was killed in 7 years later. The guy thats firing people needs to think before he starts firing people.

[rob8210]

Bobbo , you have made a good point, IF we had a group of older lineman in Canada and the USA get together and lay out a simple common sense set of working rules then all lineman would receive a huge benefit, and the industry would be a lot safer for it. That would require a lot of little kingdoms to fall. There are just too many managers , lawyers , and safety related businesses to be able to get them on board. IF we could manage to bring about such a change to the trade, then there would have to be a commitment to train everybody properly. Like has been already said , there are so many work practices that are acceptable in some areas but are the biggest sins in other areas. We do need a more consistent set of work rules, especially when you consider that help after a major storm can come from anywhere. Take the big ice storm that hit Canada in 1998. Here in Ontario they slowly recognized the need for a more consistent set of work rules, they did not get any input from the working lineman. The safety guru's got together and tried to harmonize the existing rulebooks. It sort of worked. It would have worked a lot better if working lineman could have had input, then a set of rules that made total sense could have been developed.

[lewy]

Ya we came close with 1 rule book for the province, there are only a few exceptions like ground to ground. Hydro One does not want ground to ground and there is no way the local utilities will give it up. But we are pretty close. The same with having 1 work protection code for most of the province.

[bobbo]

If you fall off a ladder and you go straight down thats a lot better than being belted in and going witb it sideways. The phone company guus have messenger hooks when they do phone. When they go up a house they wont belt in because the ladder cant be secured to the house, thats why they dont belt on the house. It does make sense if the ladders one foot slips, you have a chance to bail not go sideways or backwards and be impaled by fenceposts. I think thats pretty smart. You cant tie a rope around the house. And these houses generally have additions so the masts might be ten feet inside the roof. Those really good ladder with those top friction feet dont store well and they are expensive. Painters and roofers use them. They have the same philosoph as the phone guys, rather bail than get impaled. I have fallen both ways and going sideways sucks because you dont know how you are going to hit. If you jump off at least you know you are going to land on your feet. Whats the choice. Be impaled or brake a leg. I would take the broken leg.

[bobbo]

When you went into apprenticeship twenty years ago, they uswd to tell you the ohms of protection for each type of leather glove. The kunz was the best for secondary and 2400 protection. I remember guys doing 2400 with kunz and they used to issue Kunz to everyone for secondaries. Then five years ago a lot of places went to the class 00s and 0s. Then ten years ago in some parts when these companies were getting bought out by bigger and bigger corporarations it went cradle to cradle and ground to ground class 2s and sleeves all day. Worked 120 degree days with those rules. When its hot your so soaked you turn into one big conductor, you got sweat pouring out of every orifice of your body. Your handlining more water than material. Your hands and feet cramp. Then you got heat casualties. You had two types of safety guys, either they were compassionate christians and told you spell in the clear and take your **** off for a few minutes. Or you had the type that fired you when you took the bottle cap off because your hand was cramped to turn the cap. Its scary that we are getting the latter guy nowadays. There has got to be a balance. You have people falling off poles with the bucksqueese even. How can you feel your double latch safety hooks when you have class 2s on. Especially go.ing through phone. You have the phone and tv services hook your tools, grab everything you have. I really dont think to have class 2s in the phone is necessary and to free climb 16 feet past phone is doable. Then you can put on your protection then cover, especially the racks. Five spool and four spool racks its impossible to pass with whatever contraption you have. If you have the bucksqueese you might as well rent a helicopter. You have to cheat and hopefully no one is not watching binoculars. Then get to the primary. Smith corners and joint doubles you dont have a chance because you are stuck and binded in the braces. I have been breaking the law for a long time. I spent a long time in my belt and on hooks. But I have been stuck with the new world order guys born and raised on the bucksqueese. I was told its federal OSHA law once. I was told the international IBEW president mandated it for all journeyman linemanfor the whole international. I was told its required for the whole US. And reqyired by CAL Osha and other states. But I havent seen one piece of paper yet. And I have heard contractors made a bucksqueese demonstrator went to california and a 100 people were laughing because it took them an hour to get past the phone. The mom and pops hate that thing. And I remember a sub for a big contractor told them to shove that bucksqueese and ground to ground up their tails. The owner spent 50 years in his tools and was having no part. Doable rules should be done because whats going on now is either a guy follows all the rules and slower and getting fired. Or the favorites or the guys that are the in posse are getting stuff done and not following what is required. I have been in both worlds. You make rules that can be followed by everyone and develop a consensus. And no one is doing that. No leadership. No truth. And thats when everything sucks. And it falls apart. The intention of the people who thinks these things up proabably had good intentions. But to do what everybody wants, you wont enough time in the day to do anything.

[US & CA Tramp]

When you went into apprenticeship twenty years ago, they uswd to tell you the ohms of protection for each type of leather glove. The kunz was the best for secondary and 2400 protection. I remember guys doing 2400 with kunz and they used to issue Kunz to everyone for secondaries. Then five years ago a lot of places went to the class 00s and 0s. Then ten years ago in some parts when these companies were getting bought out by bigger and bigger corporarations it went cradle to cradle and ground to ground class 2s and sleeves all day. Worked 120 degree days with those rules. When its hot your so soaked you turn into one big conductor, you got sweat pouring out of every orifice of your body. Your handlining more water than material. Your hands and feet cramp. Then you got heat casualties. You had two types of safety guys, either they were compassionate christians and told you spell in the clear and take your **** off for a few minutes. Or you had the type that fired you when you took the bottle cap off because your hand was cramped to turn the cap. Its scary that we are getting the latter guy nowadays. There has got to be a balance. You have people falling off poles with the bucksqueese even. How can you feel your double latch safety hooks when you have class 2s on. Especially go.ing through phone. You have the phone and tv services hook your tools, grab everything you have. I really dont think to have class 2s in the phone is necessary and to free climb 16 feet past phone is doable. Then you can put on your protection then cover, especially the racks. Five spool and four spool racks its impossible to pass with whatever contraption you have. If you have the bucksqueese you might as well rent a helicopter. You have to cheat and hopefully no one is not watching binoculars. Then get to the primary. Smith corners and joint doubles you dont have a chance because you are stuck and binded in the braces. I have been breaking the law for a long time. I spent a long time in my belt and on hooks. But I have been stuck with the new world order guys born and raised on the bucksqueese. I was told its federal OSHA law once. I was told the international IBEW president mandated it for all journeyman linemanfor the whole international. I was told its required for the whole US. And reqyired by CAL Osha and other states. But I havent seen one piece of paper yet. And I have heard contractors made a bucksqueese demonstrator went to california and a 100 people were laughing because it took them an hour to get past the phone. The mom and pops hate that thing. And I remember a sub for a big contractor told them to shove that bucksqueese and ground to ground up their tails. The owner spent 50 years in his tools and was having no part. Doable rules should be done because whats going on now is either a guy follows all the rules and slower and getting fired. Or the favorites or the guys that are the in posse are getting stuff done and not following what is required. I have been in both worlds. You make rules that can be followed by everyone and develop a consensus. And no one is doing that. No leadership. No truth. And thats when everything sucks. And it falls apart. The intention of the people who thinks these things up proabably had good intentions. But to do what everybody wants, you wont enough time in the day to do anything.

It sounds to me like you have a choice to make. Get involved and do something about it, OR get a bigger soap box and a new bottle of vodka!!

[bobbo]

Most of the rules we have now came about because of accidents. Ground to ground has been around a long time because there was a lot of accidental contact with the hands, the problem now is that some of the rule makers figured that by making someone wear gloves all the time nothing bad can happen ,which we all know is just giving the new guys a false sense of security. We need rules because we know there are men out there that will take unnecessary risks, but we need some balance which requires input from the men doing the work, not just upper management throwing it down our throats when they have never done the work.

I worked with rubber gloves when it was 25 below. They fail. Because they arent manufactured for extreme cold. Thats why they stick in cold regions, BC . . . And the Yukon. I went through three pair in one day brand new because they tear in the cold. I wore a pair of refridgewear gloves with the PVC covering and they worked fine. I had no choice. The clinic was out of power with patients and all I had was a shot gun. It was 2400. No sleeves. Nothing. I took a sledge hammer to the arms and got rid of a direct short.

As far as the northwest you stick with little umbrellas on the stick, you wouldnt collect a check if you took rain days. Because it rains 150 days a year.

if you put a guy all day in gloves and sleeves in TX, AZ and the Gulf Coast he would be a heat stroke case. They where those long gauntlet gloves.

So those are the safest states in this trade. Just because your coated in rubber makes you safe. Its training.

They prove it.

[bobbo]

It sounds to me like you have a choice to make. Get involved and do something about it, OR get a bigger soap box and a new bottle of vodka!!

I am so tired of the six flags and 20 cones. And go highline. I will probably be the oldest man to lay out on a ladder. Distribution is a circus, especially in some parts. Its funny all the old men that know something are in the tools and the just topped out guys are in the pick up trucks. Remember the old days when the pick up truck was a work took, put up cans and wire, dragged and set poles with blocks. Now they are just shiny. With clutters and clutters of papers. How much paper you need in this work. Poles done. Check.

[bluestreak]

It's sorta like Dilbert just imagine him with a hard hat gloves and a belt, the same stupid things being decided by the same stupid type of people so out of touch with the reality of the situation that if you weren't directly involved you would find it laughable but if your in that situation almost makes you want to cry. That's the life of a lineman today, one of the best ways to fix it is to work to be smarter than the corporate hacks that are doing their best to ruin one of the best occupations in the world.

[lewy]

I worked with rubber gloves when it was 25 below. They fail. Because they arent manufactured for extreme cold. Thats why they stick in cold regions, BC . . . And the Yukon. I went through three pair in one day brand new because they tear in the cold. I wore a pair of refridgewear gloves with the PVC covering and they worked fine. I had no choice. The clinic was out of power with patients and all I had was a shot gun. It was 2400. No sleeves. Nothing. I took a sledge hammer to the arms and got rid of a direct short.

As far as the northwest you stick with little umbrellas on the stick, you wouldnt collect a check if you took rain days. Because it rains 150 days a year.

if you put a guy all day in gloves and sleeves in TX, AZ and the Gulf Coast he would be a heat stroke case. They where those long gauntlet gloves.

So those are the safest states in this trade. Just because your coated in rubber makes you safe. Its training.

They prove it.

I agree training is so important, like I started in the thread about jib work the crew was using the jib with the winch shorting out the jib, but they had gloves and sleeves so no problem they think. Where if I was in charge there is no way they attach that winch to the phase, but the guys doing the work thought they were doing nothing wrong, they had a pile of cover up and like I said gloves and sleeves, again with training they would have a better understanding of the hazards just not rely on rubbering everything.

[reppy007]

Im worried that someone might invent something related to sinkholes next:nightmare:...I mean if the whole pole falls into one of those,will they gig you for not using the squeeze proper.:D

[bobbo]

Saw on youtube an apprenticeship of Cebeco, cebu power. On the concrete and steel poles, they throw a rope over and handclimb to work position. If they are grounded and dead they walk the spans through the phone to the next pole. They climb 80s with rockets on their hooks, the reach out on ten foot arms like its nothing. Then for graduation they dance on top of the eighty to their national anthem after a two week climbing course. These are that built Dhubai, Abu Dhabi. And all of Asia. And they have many Irby crews with visas in the US.
They have 5 to 7 typhoons a year with 180 to 200mph winds. There cities they get back up in days. Here three weeks to a month with 130 mph winds.
My family lives in Asia. They visit here and one of their comments is Always, i thought your infrastucture would be better. They see the rusty bridges and the old wood poles. Everything they have is real clean looking meyers and concrete poles. As an American you would think we had the best. Do we? Granted their country was bombed into oblivion by us in WWII, and their poles are all 10 to 20 years old. But thats embarassing.