Help my foreman sucks.

[bobbo]

Working for the worst lineman In awhile and he sucks. He doesn't plan. When he works it's a clusterfck. Jumps in the bucket with nothing ready. No plan. Idiot. Every pole he touches has to be redone. Tried our best to tell management he is an idiot. No one listens. Can't wait to see the punch list on this job, every structure is wrong, needs to be redone. Whatever man, done. Don't give a ****. Because no one else cares. It's the new line work baby! Build **** and head south with the big paycheck. That's life! I can hear the vacuum sucking sound before work and after work. Management should listen to the men a little more. Very sad. There are guys who will always suck, and mesmerize management, whatever this guy does puts us two steps back. He will Hurt someone down the road. Still get paid with half cocked half ass ideas. Seen these guys before, management shaft massager. I think he is training for future general foreman and superintendent. We have shut him down on his stupid ****. Watch him work and it's all half ass. His nickname should be hand grenade or firebomb. Idiot!

[reppy007]

Wow,how long does this guy have in the trade?Can he prove where he has worked in the past.Sounds like the perfect storm on two feet to me.Its a shame that I need to say this but I will......watch out everyday and every second that your around this type. I can give you a better nickame but I wont.:D

[Old Line Dog]

Working for the worst lineman In awhile and he sucks. He doesn't plan. When he works it's a clusterfck. Jumps in the bucket with nothing ready. No plan. Idiot. Every pole he touches has to be redone. Tried our best to tell management he is an idiot. No one listens. Can't wait to see the punch list on this job, every structure is wrong, needs to be redone. Whatever man, done. Don't give a ****. Because no one else cares. It's the new line work baby! Build **** and head south with the big paycheck. That's life! I can hear the vacuum sucking sound before work and after work. Management should listen to the men a little more. Very sad. There are guys who will always suck, and mesmerize management, whatever this guy does puts us two steps back. He will Hurt someone down the road. Still get paid with half cocked half ass ideas. Seen these guys before, management shaft massager. I think he is training for future general foreman and superintendent. We have shut him down on his stupid ****. Watch him work and it's all half ass. His nickname should be hand grenade or firebomb. Idiot!

If that's the opinion of the majority of your crew...how about just refusing to work with the a$$hole. I was on a crew that did that once. GOT the attention of management. They took his dumb ass of "Foreman of a workin Linecrew" and put him on a Pole setting crew. Feel for ya man.....:mad:

[US & CA Tramp]

What does he suck? Little green donkey ****s? I am with Dog refuse to work with him, and when management asks why have your written list ready so you don't forget anything.

[bobbo]

If there is 20 minutes building and getting material he jumps in the bucket. He doesn't tell us what we are doing and he trusts no one. If we kind of know what we are doing we will get it. Then you see him getting the same stuff. His truck has no organization. The belly is full of crap from the storms 2 months ago. It's a mess. He doesn't trust anyone. He doesn't tell you anything. And the way he works is like his truck a mess. Working with this guy will give me a lifetime of good stories. It's a comedy everyday. We just ignore him and do what we have to do. He doesn't know the spec or the system. Whatever he touches we will have to redo. We gave every hint to management he is nuts. Everybody is hoping he won't comeback after the holidays. Found out our whole yard thinks he is a nut. I have no clue why they made him a foreman. Or how he got to be a foreman. When the company how much work need redone, on their dime it's not going to be pretty.

[reppy007]

He must be related to someone up High :D

[T-Man]

Does he do a Job Briefing? https://www.osha.gov/SLTC/etools/electric_power/hazard_jobbriefing_bestpractices.html

[bluestreak]

One of the problem people in the trade are facing is the utilities don't have people that have any first hand knowledge of line work in positions that used to require it. So if they don't know what it's supposed to look like how can they get rid of him? real problem here in Conn. too many book learned supervisors not enough job trained people, anyone with any knowledge won't get into management because they treat them worse than the regular employees, only thing you can do is document the screw ups and stay clear of this clown and hope Karma shows up real soon.

[T-Man]

Bluestreak is right. when I was training, management wanted me to do away with "Tribal Knowledge" where the older seasoned workers passed the knowledge and skills down thru practical applications in the field hands on. You sort of got under some leads wing and learned. . .sometimes the hard way. The new managers didn't have time for all that field tutoring so they could understand what happens in the field in all different conditions and standards. They wanted all training in writing, "book form". I could write some of the content but couldn't see how I'd replace good old hands on field experience. Every job or situation has it's own problems to overcome and there is not a real general way everything gets done, too many variables. So now the "Ties" in their air conditioned well lit office can crack open a book and see what needs to be done then pack up, grab their coffee mug and head off to the next meeting where they day dream about the office chick with the long legs.

[reppy007]

Bluestreak is right. when I was training, management wanted me to do away with "Tribal Knowledge" where the older seasoned workers passed the knowledge and skills down thru practical applications in the field hands on. You sort of got under some leads wing and learned. . .sometimes the hard way. The new managers didn't have time for all that field tutoring so they could understand what happens in the field in all different conditions and standards. They wanted all training in writing, "book form". I could write some of the content but couldn't see how I'd replace good old hands on field experience. Every job or situation has it's own problems to overcome and there is not a real general way everything gets done, too many variables. So now the "Ties" in their air conditioned well lit office can crack open a book and see what needs to be done then pack up, grab their coffee mug and head off to the next meeting where they day dream about the office chick with the long legs.

Some still believe in the chalkboard theory,they went to some sort of school and sat in a room where everything was taught on the chalkboard.....I havent ever seen a chalkboard in the field.

[reppy007]

If there is 20 minutes building and getting material he jumps in the bucket. He doesn't tell us what we are doing and he trusts no one. If we kind of know what we are doing we will get it. Then you see him getting the same stuff. His truck has no organization. The belly is full of crap from the storms 2 months ago. It's a mess. He doesn't trust anyone. He doesn't tell you anything. And the way he works is like his truck a mess. Working with this guy will give me a lifetime of good stories. It's a comedy everyday. We just ignore him and do what we have to do. He doesn't know the spec or the system. Whatever he touches we will have to redo. We gave every hint to management he is nuts. Everybody is hoping he won't comeback after the holidays. Found out our whole yard thinks he is a nut. I have no clue why they made him a foreman. Or how he got to be a foreman. When the company how much work need redone, on their dime it's not going to be pretty.

Does he climb a pole that has a bad clamp on it and leaves the squeeze tool and clamps on the truck?Or maybe claims to have worked many of storms and cant start a chainsaw.Better yet does he use a chainsaw like a handsaw instead of letting the chainsaw do the work and guide it.Yes there is plenty of guys with these magical tricks in the trade....If he does any of the above,I will keep you and your crew in my thoughts and prayers.:D

[rob8210]

I hear ya Bobbo, been there seen that. Have you ever had to work for a very young foreman, that thinks he knows and doesn't?

[bobbo]

[QUOTE=bluestreak;144422]One of the problem people in the trade are facing is the utilities don't have people that have any first hand knowledge of line work in positions that used to require it. So if they don't know what it's supposed to look like how can they get rid of him? real problem here in Conn. too many book learned supervisors not enough job trained people, anyone with any knowledge won't get into management because they treat them worse than the regular employees, only thing you can do is document the screw ups and stay clear of this clown and hope Karma shows up real soon.[/QUOTE

when you build something it should have a spec. You can't build whatever you want or do whatever you want. If I don't have a picture or I don't see it I won't start building except for storm. I hate doing things twice. If you have a real inspector and you have to redo stuff. It usually takes as long to fix it, than do it right the first time. Apprentices should have that spec book all the time. I have seen stupid things, but the guys were such know it all ****s it wasn't worth my time. I seen a guy put #2 for secondary leads and primary leads, tried to correct him but he was those guys who was an expert type. Seen a guy that loved to put spool and clue is under a three spool, because it was easy, and acted energized open wire was an atomic bomb. Seen a lot if stupid things why? Because we have guys with no respect for older lineman and think they invented the trade. And that will never end.

[bobbo]

You can't change it. You can only laugh at it. Stupid is stupid! And over the real long run, stupid will lose. That's how life works. When I topped out , I thought I knew a lot. But I didn't. No one does. No one was born with hooks, when you think your smarter and better than everyone else, you will lose in the long run. It's better to be like able and work with people. I have seen so many guys with that romping stomping Line God attitude. And you watch them and they suck. Then they pass that crap attitude to all the apprentices and then they suck. Sucking to me is being afraid of really doing the work, not building things for the next guy, sucking up and blowing management whenever you can, so you can be the next 'it" guy. Your management are always one check from being on a list for work just as you are. The more people you pissed off will be how much harder yourlife will be. That's life in this work!

[reppy007]

You paint a clear picture as how the guy is.....this is what Im seeing when you describe this so called lineman.....no laughing!:D:D:D https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgehbV_AcAU

[birdog37]

My advise to any lineman when it comes to dealing with someone who is working with no respect for what their doing? Bid out,you will be so much ahead of this soap opera and an accident waiting to happen. Your local union should be proactive for you especially since safety is involved-but if you're with Local 204 I can say from personal experience that is not the case. There's a lot of good companies and unions out there. I had no choice but to leave a poor company and union despite 20 years plus with both, but it was an unforeseen blessing. I now work for a great company, excellent union and terrific coworkers where safety is at the top of the list and practiced by all-and I make more money than I ever thought possible. Good karma coming back at me. Good luck-don't be afraid to make life changes-you'll sleep much better and your life may depend on it!

[Pootnaigle]

Umm I bleve the only solution is to suck it up n do what Linemen do..... Be a leader assume control of the situation and assure everones safety.If that means You hafta take on a few new responsibilitys then jus do it n be the leader your job title says you are. A few stumbling blocks aint nuttin for a lineman

[reppy007]

Umm I bleve the only solution is to suck it up n do what Linemen do..... Be a leader assume control of the situation and assure everones safety.If that means You hafta take on a few new responsibilitys then jus do it n be the leader your job title says you are. A few stumbling blocks aint nuttin for a lineman

You know 'OMP'-old man Poot.You are right.That reminds me...here they have gotten rid of people and people have retired,some have died that were in those positions.So you need to fill those positions.and here some/alot of good Jys that dont want it are forced to lead....now thay are stuck with much younger guys that they practically have to baby sit and watch their every move.Which leaves you in the same position as bobbo is in now.But I get your point.

[bobbo]

Sometimes you have to stick with a bad situation and it will eventually turn out right. Tired of jumping companies. Eventually people will notice things!

[bobbo]

Sometimes you have to stick with a bad situation and it will eventually turn out right. Tired of jumping companies. Eventually people will notice things! Thank you Lord!

[bobbo]

What we did. We weathered him out. We did the right thing. We called him out on being stupid. After the humiliation we put the guy through we got rid of him. If you are union it's easy. Sorry if you are non union. We crush theses ****heads that want stupid and impossible every man has the right to not to work stupid. If new gave you a plan and you don't have what you need. It's not your fault. It's managements fault. A foreman is management and he makes all the moves, has all the responsibility, if he is a **** get rid of him, if he is cool. does-his best,protect him, lineman 101. If you work for Pike or Par, get rid of the ducks! Get rid of the guys that vacuum suck penises! We have seen them for a long time. Have it end now! It's time!

[reppy007]

What we did. We weathered him out. We did the right thing. We called him out on being stupid. After the humiliation we put the guy through we got rid of him. If you are union it's easy. Sorry if you are non union. We crush theses ****heads that want stupid and impossible every man has the right to not to work stupid. If new gave you a plan and you don't have what you need. It's not your fault. It's managements fault. A foreman is management and he makes all the moves, has all the responsibility, if he is a **** get rid of him, if he is cool. does-his best,protect him, lineman 101. If you work for Pike or Par, get rid of the ducks! Get rid of the guys that vacuum suck penises! We have seen them for a long time. Have it end now! It's time!

I was thinking that I would get a vacuum cleaner for Christmas,maybe a hoover,dyson or a eureka...Now I hope that Santa doesnt deliver it:mad:

[in the bucket]

I feel your pain man. I am in a weathering out the storm mode right now. Low morale is a really bad thing.

[CDN Lineman]

I like to take my grandmas advice. "Call them as you see em." He is a piece of **** so call him that. Rest of the crew (if you get along) will follow suit. He won't like being called down by his "boys" for long.

[Young blood]

Granted I am fairly new to the trade, we have came across this bridges time or two at work as well. Our line foreman is a great lineman but in certain situations he refuses to do it the safe and right way at times. Had an instance where we were raising some conduit up on the pole to energize it. The entire crew except him saw numerous problems with the primary above it as well as open secondary. I won't go into specifics but he had his way raised it up and burnt the primary down with the tail of the underground. Finally we had enough and decided as a group to talk to the superintendent. Ended up having a meeting with everyone and all hd gone smooth after that. There is power in numbers so maybe try that. :)