If you need to know, a CSA mark on FR or boots?

[bobbo]

If you have a CSA mark on your FR or boots? It's not a Canadian mark but a mark for all North America. It exceeds all government standards in North America. Exceeds OSHA. If you buy with a CSA mark that meant the manufacturer wanted the best standard and rating for their gear and wanted to sell all North American markets. Just so you know. CSA boots are 20 kv dielectric with the ohm emblem. And the ground boots for 500kv and bare handing have little resistance. Info to put in your back pocket when all your company shirts are dirty and you wear your own gear. Yes fools look for tags nowadays. My gear says CSA not OSHA. CSA supersedes OSHA standards. Canada sets our standards pretty much and now that agency has a lot higher standards. Useless information you might need for later on.

[US & CA Tramp]

If you have a CSA mark on your FR or boots? It's not a Canadian mark but a mark for all North America. It exceeds all government standards in North America. Exceeds OSHA. If you buy with a CSA mark that meant the manufacturer wanted the best standard and rating for their gear and wanted to sell all North American markets. Just so you know. CSA boots are 20 kv dielectric with the ohm emblem. And the ground boots for 500kv and bare handing have little resistance. Info to put in your back pocket when all your company shirts are dirty and you wear your own gear. Yes fools look for tags nowadays. My gear says CSA not OSHA. CSA supersedes OSHA standards. Canada sets our standards pretty much and now that agency has a lot higher standards. Useless information you might need for later on.

CSA does have a great little green triangle tag they want on safety boots and FR, but try buying gear with that tag in the USA.

Not to rain on your parade, but neither the Occupational Safety & Health Administration or the Canadian Safety Association set the standards. They both just follow the IEEE and ANSI standards. So the who is better debate really doesn't fly.

I really do agree with your last sentence.

[T-Man]

CSA does have a great little green triangle tag they want on safety boots and FR, but try buying gear with that tag in the USA.

Not to rain on your parade, but neither the Occupational Safety & Health Administration or the Canadian Safety Association set the standards. They both just follow the IEEE and ANSI standards. So the who is better debate really doesn't fly.

I really do agree with your last sentence.

Great post bobbo and good clarification Tramp. My only concern is I never took the KV rating of my boots seriously as say my gloves, sleeves, rubber goods mainly because I didn't walk all over Gods Creation in/on my PPE, so until the boots get regular tests for dielectric insulation value I'd be careful not to rest my future on "boots" even if there is a tag saying they meet some dielectric standard. Just my opinion.

[rob8210]

The CSA green patch boots are pretty good. The dielectric rating is obviously for new unused boots, not to be trusted, but can be a lifesaver. When they first came out a younger fella and I went to a boot store because he needed new boots. The salesman carried on about this new dielectric rating, but man did he get Po'd when I told the fella that that rating wasn't worth crap once you had mud on them , wet and dirty, and you couldn't even think about trusting it.

[wudwlkr]

Not to rain on your parade, but neither the Occupational Safety & Health Administration or the Canadian Safety Association set the standards. They both just follow the IEEE and ANSI standards. So the who is better debate really doesn't fly.



I don't know about CSA but OSHA can and does set standards. While OSHA will generally follow industry consensus standards, if they don't feel those standards are adequate they can and will set their own. For example in the newly revised utility safety rules 1910.269 and 1926 Subpart V OSHA decided that the minimum approach distances in the IEEE standards (516 and NESC)were not adequate. OSHA thus decided to set their own standards for MAD. Expect to see NESC adopt the OSHA standards for MAD in the next, 2017, edition. Tail wagging the dog.

[US & CA Tramp]

I don't know about CSA but OSHA can and does set standards. While OSHA will generally follow industry consensus standards, if they don't feel those standards are adequate they can and will set their own. For example in the newly revised utility safety rules 1910.269 and 1926 Subpart V OSHA decided that the minimum approach distances in the IEEE standards (516 and NESC)were not adequate. OSHA thus decided to set their own standards for MAD. Expect to see NESC adopt the OSHA standards for MAD in the next, 2017, edition. Tail wagging the dog.


Those are regulations (Laws) not standards.

[bobbo]

Read CSA is a North American standard and exceeds US standards for safety wear. Just read what the CSA mark meant. And all the oil companies are buying Canadian gear because it's better quality. They come with the scotch brite so you don't have to wear that stupid hi vis vest that the companies give you. The Canadians manufacture all their vests FR. They are pricy. Buddy had a suit by an American manufacturer ripped apart in two weeks jacket and bibs were torn apart and he paid 500 for it. Rather pay more than have it fall apart. The Canadians make great cold weather gear, but the distributors are all in North Dakota or Minnesota. And if it has a CSA mark, it's fine to wear here. That's all I am saying.

[reppy007]

Im with you T....I see no need to have Fr- boots.It would be hard to convince me as why.Unless I plan to walk across hot coals ,and I have no plans to do so.

[bobbo]

Guy had a pair of rovacks, 15 years with holes. Primary hit him and nothing wrong. They filled the boots with bb s and checked the dielectrics. And the boots still had the same protection. Or that was told to me by many Canadians.

All US stuff is becoming jap crap. And the Canadians have great gear that's all.i trust their gear than I trust American gear. Well made and well constructed. The two companies from Michigan that manufacture FR are good. But they don't have reflection that's mandated by all the utilities and contractors. I love when they issue you your Harbor Freight vest that's more flammable than doll hair on a Barbie. (Lost my eyebrows burning my sisters dolls as a kid)

[reppy007]

Guy had a pair of rovacks, 15 years with holes. Primary hit him and nothing wrong. They filled the boots with bb s and checked the dielectrics. And the boots still had the same protection. Or that was told to me by many Canadians.

All US stuff is becoming jap crap. And the Canadians have great gear that's all.i trust their gear than I trust American gear. Well made and well constructed. The two companies from Michigan that manufacture FR are good. But they don't have reflection that's mandated by all the utilities and contractors. I love when they issue you your Harbor Freight vest that's more flammable than doll hair on a Barbie. (Lost my eyebrows burning my sisters dolls as a kid)

Can I ask how the primary hit the guy?....As far as dolls are concerned,I did the same thing.I burned my sisters doll....still had my eyebrows and all.....but the mattress burned too....so little reppy screamed for momma:nightmare:...That was back when all dolls were fat and ugly.....even before the string you could pull....everyone remembers the strings...right.:D

[US & CA Tramp]

[QUOTE=reppy007;144699]Can I ask how the primary hit the guy?....



No! you can not ask a question like that, too much information is bad for you. :rolleyes:

[reppy007]

[QUOTE=reppy007;144699]Can I ask how the primary hit the guy?....



No! you can not ask a question like that, too much information is bad for you. :rolleyes:

Yea your right,I will just start wearing my old 15 year old boots,they have holes too....but I didnt know if he was referring to urd or overhead.I never put myself in a position to be hit in the foot by hot primary.I dont think.:nightmare:

[US & CA Tramp]

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Yea your right,I will just start wearing my old 15 year old boots,they have holes too....but I didnt know if he was referring to urd or overhead.I never put myself in a position to be hit in the foot by hot primary.I dont think.:nightmare:

When I started it was a 4 year apprenticeship and we were encouraged to ask questions. Now keep your mouth shut and do what you are told, not what you were trained to know what is right.

Just my opinion though, I wouldn't want any one think I was asking a question!! :rolleyes:

[bobbo]

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When I started it was a 4 year apprenticeship and we were encouraged to ask questions. Now keep your mouth shut and do what you are told, not what you were trained to know what is right.

Just my opinion though, I wouldn't want any one think I was asking a question!! :rolleyes:

The guy was patrolling and it was dark. Walked right into a hot hanger primary. Where it burned clear. And got wrapped in the hanger tail. A lot of guys die like that, especially troubleman and patrolmen. It's good to open gates with your gloves. Reppy the boots aren't FR, but dielectric, 20 kv protection. That story is why a lot of Canadians wear Royers or Rovaks boots. If you wear the dielectrics, you shouldn't have to wear booties. The booties are more of a hazard especially in the snow and rough terrain. Every place you have to wear those you slip and fly all over the place. Seen guys get ****ed up in WV with those things.flying down mountains walking right out of them.

[US & CA Tramp]

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The guy was patrolling and it was dark. Walked right into a hot hanger primary. Where it burned clear. And got wrapped in the hanger tail. A lot of guys die like that, especially troubleman and patrolmen. It's good to open gates with your gloves. Reppy the boots aren't FR, but dielectric, 20 kv protection. That story is why a lot of Canadians wear Royers or Rovaks boots. If you wear the dielectrics, you shouldn't have to wear booties. The booties are more of a hazard especially in the snow and rough terrain. Every place you have to wear those you slip and fly all over the place. Seen guys get ****ed up in WV with those things.flying down mountains walking right out of them.


I would be interested to find out where and what province these boots are worn. Where are these boots or the booties required?

[reppy007]

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The guy was patrolling and it was dark. Walked right into a hot hanger primary. Where it burned clear. And got wrapped in the hanger tail. A lot of guys die like that, especially troubleman and patrolmen. It's good to open gates with your gloves. Reppy the boots aren't FR, but dielectric, 20 kv protection. That story is why a lot of Canadians wear Royers or Rovaks boots. If you wear the dielectrics, you shouldn't have to wear booties. The booties are more of a hazard especially in the snow and rough terrain. Every place you have to wear those you slip and fly all over the place. Seen guys get ****ed up in WV with those things.flying down mountains walking right out of them.

I see now,and understand....I was thinking about setting poles in hot primary,yea they would good then....but if everything is covered right and primary was spreaded,and rubber gloves worn to set the pole ,boots wouldnt be needed......hey never quite know whats going to happen in this business........My FAVORITE STORY IS THIS ONE......a few crews were working on a circuit years ago,On the circuit was some old copper primary.....the type were ,when you drive bye you see many splices.There was an old Jy lineman rolling up old wire......The crew had fiberglass guards on the primary,that was covered for their protection.......well what nobody expected was this happening......For some reason or another the old primary gave up and fell....the hot end landed on the older linemans shoulder.The only reason he lived was cause the guard also slipped down the wire as it fell,and thats what landed on the old mans shoulder.So to make a long story short....the guard that was there to keep the guys safe in the air ,winded up saving the guy on the ground.Funny in a way,cause the lineman in the air didnt intend it to have nothing to do with the older lineman .

[lewy]

All work boots worn on a job site up here have to have the green CSA patch for any trade. For us we also need the omega tag which means they were dielectric ally tested, but that only works until the boots are worn as far as I am concerned.

[bobbo]

All work boots worn on a job site up here have to have the green CSA patch for any trade. For us we also need the omega tag which means they were dielectric ally tested, but that only works until the boots are worn as far as I am concerned.

First you can't drive with them. They don't fit well on most of the boot styles. They are more of a hazard for walking and doing the work. 20 years ago they were mandating them on properties. But it's a waste of money for contractors. Because you will buy them and guys won't even take them out of the plastic. And there will be booties in every bin of the truck, everywhere.

If I am working a brake on the wire I will stand on a blanket. If I have to tap a URD service into a can, I will sit on a bucket. The sum of it booties you don't need them if you have some horse sense of what you are doing. After you walk all day in them they can't be good for your joints. It's like 30 years using squeeze ons, a guy will always have shoulder surgeries. It would be the same for those booties, knees won't handle the extra three pounds on your feet after a lot of years.

the booties trend will come back. There will be an accident where the guy could have been saved by booties and they will mandate wearing them again. This trade is a cycle, someone will recycle bad ideas. They always do.

[bobbo]

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I would be interested to find out where and what province these boots are worn. Where are these boots or the booties required?

They distribute them in America. But they are made in Quebec. There is a dielectric type for distribution. And a grounded type for transmission. Wore the grounded type and the burn is gone when you climb 500. Used to climb barehanded because that burn would hurt after awhile. Put those things on I could finally climb with gloved hands.

[US & CA Tramp]

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They distribute them in America. But they are made in Quebec. There is a dielectric type for distribution. And a grounded type for transmission. Wore the grounded type and the burn is gone when you climb 500. Used to climb barehanded because that burn would hurt after awhile. Put those things on I could finally climb with gloved hands.

I understand that there are good uses for this type of boots, Hell I used to wear a pair of 3 buckle overshoes sometimes for certain jobs. Quebec is a province that is not really thought of in the best manor in most of Canada, so if they make them and use them what is their reason and purpose.

My question is where are they worn / mandatory??

[reppy007]

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I understand that there are good uses for this type of boots, Hell I used to wear a pair of 3 buckle overshoes sometimes for certain jobs. Quebec is a province that is not really thought of in the best manor in most of Canada, so if they make them and use them what is their reason and purpose.

My question is where are they worn / mandatory??

I may be behind the times,Ive never heard of them having to be used here.I need to ask around.....maybe thats next on the list of items that I never worked with.....Maybe I should invent a fire retardant wallet.....or should I start with underware,cause fruit of the looms need competition.:D

[bobbo]

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I may be behind the times,Ive never heard of them having to be used here.I need to ask around.....maybe thats next on the list of items that I never worked with.....Maybe I should invent a fire retardant wallet.....or should I start with underware,cause fruit of the looms need competition.:D

I tend to avoid working in those properties. Or the companies that pass them on initial sign up. 20 years ago there was a trend to pass them out and mandated for a lot of companies. Especially the northeast.

As an apprentice I wore them all day. Then when I topped out I never wore them again. I had a lot of knee pain and my doctor said it was from wearing them. You got your boots then you wear those they are heavy, an extra two to three pounds on each foot. If you work all day and move all day. You will feel it in your knees. Long term they will damage your knees hips and legs.

So the only alternative is to get dielectric boots. The omega tag says they are 20 kv protected.

if the companies or properties don't accept them, then I don't. Work for them.

Here is another funny story. My relative gave me military issued IED eyewear. They were made by Oakley, 500 dollar glasses where a bomb went off, you won't lose your eyes. They were real comfortable. And Oakley sold them for welding and for soldiers in combat, designed for explosive disposal. A safety guy said I couldn't wear them because they were not company issued and gave me his pair of 1 dollar western safety Harbor Freight glasses. You dropped them they broke. They were just the cheapest, I don't care about the men cheap. They would scratch on silk. Guess what, that company is screaming for lineman and I wonder why!

when it gets ridiculous, men will navigate away from companies who treat men poorly. We had lean times where you had to suck it up. All the management who have reputations can't get anyone. And they can't figure out they have to change, not the men.

The bucksqueese, 10 cones and 6 flags per truck, 4 inch employment paperwork companies are hurting. Guess what they should. Because everything was about them and not us. When they think about us, there won't be a lineman shortage! karma is a *****!