My question for you

[reppy007]

Ok ,heres the deal.My lights went off today and I took a walk a few hundred feet from my home and noticed the pole top switch opened and tagged.Usually it is closed.My neighbors across the street had lights,so right then I knew something behind me was wrong.So I drive a couple of blocks from my home and met a crew from Centerpoint.Well they are going to replace a cross-arm and he tells me that he wanted to work the de-energized wire with rubbers,but the other guy wanted to get a clearance.Which would mean installing grounds on both sides of the area affected.So ....are you required to get a clearance or do you have the choice like we have here?.....Saying all of that, he informs me that they now are forced to wear rubber gloves ground to ground in the bucket......next will be sleeves if I read all of this right :nightmare:

[Lineman North Florida]

Must have been one helluva bad arm to have to knock it out to change, as far as working with gloves instead of grounding, I'm not for that, cause there is no way you are going to give a line that you have opened up and decided to work with rubber gloves the same respect that you would if it were hot, either work it hot or kill it and ground it and work it as such. The whole ground to ground rubber glove thing is sickening, I'm thankful that I have never had to work for such an outfit.

[reppy007]

Must have been one helluva bad arm to have to knock it out to change, as far as working with gloves instead of grounding, I'm not for that, cause there is no way you are going to give a line that you have opened up and decided to work with rubber gloves the same respect that you would if it were hot, either work it hot or kill it and ground it and work it as such. The whole ground to ground rubber glove thing is sickening, I'm thankful that I have never had to work for such an outfit.

Your answer is good and wise.I didnt actually walk back to the broken crossarm but I believe one phase must have been against the pole or really close to it.But your comment about the same respect is true.So your answer is right on,and thanks for your input on this.......now about the ground to ground,I feel the same way........Somewhere and someway this is going to lead into wearing rubbers while working on grounded wire.....which is another idiot way of working if you ask me.That would almost be like wearing rubbers while building/constructing a new line.ButI wont go there yet.:(

[Pootnaigle]

3 salesmen trying to run from an impending storm go to a hotel and ask for a room for the nite ,The clerk informs them he only has one room and its 30$ a nite so each gives him a ten and they are off to temporary shelter...... after a spell theres a knock on the door and its the bellboy who informs them the clerk made a misteak and the room is actually 25$ a nite so he hands them a five
Since they cant evenly divide the five each guy takes one and they tip the bellboy the other 2
THis makes each of them pay out of pocket 9$ since they originaly paid out 10 and got one back
Now 3 times 9=27 plus the 2 the bellboy got makes 29 sowhere is the other dollar?

[reppy007]

3 salesmen trying to run from an impending storm go to a hotel and ask for a room for the nite ,The clerk informs them he only has one room and its 30$ a nite so each gives him a ten and they are off to temporary shelter...... after a spell theres a knock on the door and its the bellboy who informs them the clerk made a misteak and the room is actually 25$ a nite so he hands them a five
Since they cant evenly divide the five each guy takes one and they tip the bellboy the other 2
THis makes each of them pay out of pocket 9$ since they originaly paid out 10 and got one back
Now 3 times 9=27 plus the 2 the bellboy got makes 29 sowhere is the other dollar?

divide the $ one they got back into 3 and thats your answer.....good try old man:D

[1245hand]

We're already there on the West Coast- Rubber Gloves required on the ground, on dead and grounded conductor. I'm sure rubber gloves cradle-to-cradle are next here. Dumbing it down and slowing it down go hand in hand. Was told by a Supervisor that some rules are to slow us down and make us think- he was half right.

It's not just our trade. The area I work in has alot of field crops- row crops, vegetables, strawberries, etc. Quite the sight to see the workers, 20-30, doing their warm-ups together in the morning, then harvesting in their safety vests.

It takes time to be safe- like it or not. Forward progress- just like golf.

[reppy007]

We're already there on the West Coast- Rubber Gloves required on the ground, on dead and grounded conductor. I'm sure rubber gloves cradle-to-cradle are next here. Dumbing it down and slowing it down go hand in hand. Was told by a Supervisor that some rules are to slow us down and make us think- he was half right.

It's not just our trade. The area I work in has alot of field crops- row crops, vegetables, strawberries, etc. Quite the sight to see the workers, 20-30, doing their warm-ups together in the morning, then harvesting in their safety vests.

It takes time to be safe- like it or not. Forward progress- just like golf.

I guess your right.Two or three times a day I go out and sit in my car which is parked in my drive way.I light up a cig and turn on the radio and listen to sports radio talk shows and hope they are talking about something that is interesting......for now on even though Im not driving or even moving my car I will start using the seatbelt.......yes thats what reppy will start doing ............not!:nightmare:

[bluestreak]

New rule in Conn. for those that work for Eversource Energy [ old CL&P ] ground to ground sleeves even if the pole just has secondaries, and to make it extra stupid you can wear secondary gloves [1000 volt ] but you have to wear sleeves with them which leaves a 3 or 4" gap between the glove and the sleeve! The out and out ignorance of the carpet bagging management is beyond belief.

[reppy007]

New rule in Conn. for those that work for Eversource Energy [ old CL&P ] ground to ground sleeves even if the pole just has secondaries, and to make it extra stupid you can wear secondary gloves [1000 volt ] but you have to wear sleeves with them which leaves a 3 or 4" gap between the glove and the sleeve! The out and out ignorance of the carpet bagging management is beyond belief.
I could accept wearing sleeves a little better if I lived up north.But here in Texas it gets sort of warm in July and August.....And for a guy in Arizona....well you know how that must feel.

[Orgnizdlbr]

I could accept wearing sleeves a little better if I lived up north.But here in Texas it gets sort of warm in July and August.....And for a guy in Arizona....well you know how that must feel.

Gets sorta warm in July and August up here too.....

[lewy]

We're already there on the West Coast- Rubber Gloves required on the ground, on dead and grounded conductor. I'm sure rubber gloves cradle-to-cradle are next here. Dumbing it down and slowing it down go hand in hand. Was told by a Supervisor that some rules are to slow us down and make us think- he was half right.

It's not just our trade. The area I work in has alot of field crops- row crops, vegetables, strawberries, etc. Quite the sight to see the workers, 20-30, doing their warm-ups together in the morning, then harvesting in their safety vests.

It takes time to be safe- like it or not. Forward progress- just like golf.
We are a ground to ground utility, it is meant for when working on or around energized conductors. The idea of wearing rubbers gloves and sleeves when working on properly grounded lines (EPZ) is just plain stupid. Do you have to cover the conductor as well? If they feel it is not safe to touch without rubbers than it is not safe for it to touch any other part of your body, what about working the higher voltages off the pole, I guess that wouldn't be safe either and what about the voltages that you can only stick, I guess you would have to stick that as well. What about the U.G. do you have to wear rubbers when working on grounded U.G? It is also a primary conductor.

[reppy007]

Ok...now for the good part about the situation with the cross-arm being replaced.When I was talking to the lineman ,that I have known since 1983....the customer happens to ask a question that has been asked a thousand of times.......she asked......what about my fish?She had a fish tank that she said had about a hundred fish.......I mean whenever I replaced any cross-arm.....fish was the last thought I ever had :nightmare:

[T-Man]

Get a box of Shore lunch breading mix and. . . . . . . . :eek:

[1245hand]

We are a ground to ground utility, it is meant for when working on or around energized conductors. The idea of wearing rubbers gloves and sleeves when working on properly grounded lines (EPZ) is just plain stupid. Do you have to cover the conductor as well? If they feel it is not safe to touch without rubbers than it is not safe for it to touch any other part of your body, what about working the higher voltages off the pole, I guess that wouldn't be safe either and what about the voltages that you can only stick, I guess you would have to stick that as well. What about the U.G. do you have to wear rubbers when working on grounded U.G? It is also a primary conductor.

Lewy- Making sense of work procedures obviously isn't possible! By the time some these rules get to the ones actually doing the work, the subject matter specialists have everything figured out for us.

U.G.? You had to ask. No, we aren't required to use rubbers, we have a safer way- once grounded and proven dead at the work location, we can touch the conductor any way needed- as long as we stay on our feet and don't kneel down. Reason is that EH boots keep us from being at a different ground potential while standing. Now, pay attention, to kneel (or sit) we need to be on a grounding mat. The mat is approximately 6' x 8' and tied into the ground scheme. This is our EPZ for U.G.

Just like golf, don't count the strokes, your making forward progress.

Just think of Reppy, sitting in his parked car with his seat belt & safety vest on, burning one. He feels safe, but did he set the parking brake?

[reppy007]

Lewy- Making sense of work procedures obviously isn't possible! By the time some these rules get to the ones actually doing the work, the subject matter specialists have everything figured out for us.

U.G.? You had to ask. No, we aren't required to use rubbers, we have a safer way- once grounded and proven dead at the work location, we can touch the conductor any way needed- as long as we stay on our feet and don't kneel down. Reason is that EH boots keep us from being at a different ground potential while standing. Now, pay attention, to kneel (or sit) we need to be on a grounding mat. The mat is approximately 6' x 8' and tied into the ground scheme. This is our EPZ for U.G.

Just like golf, don't count the strokes, your making forward progress.

Just think of Reppy, sitting in his parked car with his seat belt & safety vest on, burning one. He feels safe, but did he set the parking brake?

You had to mention me:(...Just when I thought I heard it all....ok on urd,you can touch the conductor anyway possible if it has been grounded while standing.but not kneeling or sitting.So am I wrong cause I thought grounded wire was just that.....even if I were to get upside down and spin on my head I thought it was safe to get on wire that has been properly grounded.My mistake.

[reppy007]

Ok ,let me settle down before I ask.Somewhere out there is someone thats going to say they ground their trucks when they work on a section of wire that is grounded on both sides of the work area.....its their rule to do it that way......so who is it going to be?............wainting,waiting.....waiting....... .........:D

[US & CA Tramp]

Ok ,let me settle down before I ask.Somewhere out there is someone thats going to say they ground their trucks when they work on a section of wire that is grounded on both sides of the work area.....its their rule to do it that way......so who is it going to be?............wainting,waiting.....waiting....... .........:D



We are too old for this! BUT it is called Equal Potential Grounding. The wire grounded on both sides "can" cause circulating current around the two different ground locations causing a difference of potential between the two. Of course it depends on where the induction is coming from. And yes you ground the truck or it is insulated and isolated. Just the rules!! The equal potential theories were proven to be true back in the fifties by B.P.A. in Oregon. It was called the "Straw Man Test."

[reppy007]

We are too old for this! BUT it is called Equal Potential Grounding. The wire grounded on both sides "can" cause circulating current around the two different ground locations causing a difference of potential between the two. Of course it depends on where the induction is coming from. And yes you ground the truck or it is insulated and isolated. Just the rules!! The equal potential theories were proven to be true back in the fifties by B.P.A. in Oregon. It was called the "Straw Man Test."

Mr.Seahawk....lets go back to the main question asked.LNF has so far gave the best answer.Yes OR No....are you required to get a clearance or not when changing out a cross-arm and killing that section of the circuit?Some may and some may not.

[US & CA Tramp]

Mr.Seahawk....lets go back to the main question asked.LNF has so far gave the best answer.Yes OR No....are you required to get a clearance or not when changing out a cross-arm and killing that section of the circuit?Some may and some may not.

I don't know what came over me!! I forgot you were the test guy! Did you also learn to be the decider and chief like your George W?

[lewy]

I agree with what LNF said either do it live or grounded, and as has been discussed the right way is with EPG(leather gloves) so if you are going to stick the steel boom of an RBD into the work area it should be bonded to keep it at the same potential, but an insulated bucket need not be grounded.

[reppy007]

I don't know what came over me!! I forgot you were the test guy! Did you also learn to be the decider and chief like your George W?

Still....is that a George Yes or George No?:D

[reppy007]

3 salesmen trying to run from an impending storm go to a hotel and ask for a room for the nite ,The clerk informs them he only has one room and its 30$ a nite so each gives him a ten and they are off to temporary shelter...... after a spell theres a knock on the door and its the bellboy who informs them the clerk made a misteak and the room is actually 25$ a nite so he hands them a five
Since they cant evenly divide the five each guy takes one and they tip the bellboy the other 2
THis makes each of them pay out of pocket 9$ since they originaly paid out 10 and got one back
Now 3 times 9=27 plus the 2 the bellboy got makes 29 sowhere is the other dollar?

Now lets see how smartful you are Mr.Poot :DThis should get him :D..... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sR6PTkwords