Tired Of The Bullshit.......

[johnbellamy]

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[LostArt]

And welcome to the site JB.

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[Squizzy]

Your A Journeyman Right, If You Don't Feel Comfortable Doing Something, Have The Stones To Say No. This Isn't Tinker Toys We're Playin With Out Here, So If Being A Hand Isn't For You Go Be A Narrow Back I Hear They're Big On Safety.


Can you just explain your outlook on safety it doesn't make sense one sentance you say if its dangerous don't do it then hang sh!t on Norrowbacks for been safe? I have done 2 apprentiships as a Electrician and as a Lineman the primary concern of both is safety not bagging one for doing the right thing.....

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[RWD]

More folks are killed by low voltage every year than high voltage. Low voltage is dangerous too. I am a linman that respect narrowbacks for the work they do as a whole.

There are folks that give a bad name to every trade. Focus on the ones that do their job and not the ones that don't and you'll be happier in thelong run.

RWD

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[Alan Mac]

A Linemans ONLY Union....I been talkin it for years.....

I couldn't agree more with ya swampy. Our companys favourite move with the pay bargaining is to screw the industrial staff as much as possible, while offering a lump sum of about $400 to everyone. That way the office staff (who are in the majority) are gaining a lot and losing nothing. No wonder it gets voted through.

Another problem is that the unions here have had their teeth removed. They go to the table and say we want this for our members. The companys says you ain't having it, now turn around and bend over and the union says thankyou very much.
That's the way it seems to me anyways.

Mac

[BigClive]

Another problem is that the unions here have had their teeth removed.

AMICUS perhaps? I don't think the technical workers have had a real union since the days of the EETPU. Our so called unions look suspiciously as if they are run by the industries they are supposed to protect us against.

Personally I'm in BECTU because I have to be for the entertainment work I do. They are a truly independent union and deal with the BBC so much that they are experts at dealing with penny pinching management arseholes.

[Orgnizdlbr]

Your Damn Right Im Union, And Damn Proud Of It. No Heres My Take On That. Yea Im Pissed That Lineman Get Out Voted By Narrowbacks, Sub Techs, Meter Readers,meter Techs, Damn Workers, Operators, Ect. The Ibew Was Started By Lineman For Lineman, Lineman Used To Rule The The ****in Roost, But Now We Are Out Voted When It Comes To Contract Time. Now I Have HEARD That Tired Old Shit About "the Greater Good" But The Reallity Is The Hands Are Getting ****ed. They Let Management Tell Us How Its Going To Be Because They Don't Want Anybody ****in With Their World So They Pass Shitty Contracts Maybe Not For Them But They Sure Suck For Us. So Whats Your Solution?


If you are not already, get involved with your local. Become a steward, eboard member, run for office and make sure your opinion and position is known.......

[tolex42]

Thanks John,

My sentiments exactly. I been talkin about a "Linemans ONLY" Union for years. Your post is exactly the reason I went Rat.

The "Brotherhood".

Well...within the "Brotherhood" there are "factions" that vie for "Control" of the...specific "Local Union". So much for "Brotherhood"......

A Linemans ONLY Union....I been talkin it for years.....

"Linemen's ONLY Union" what do you think gives you the right to make this comment. You are nonunion and from several of your post I ascertained you're actually antiunion in some of your actions. If you think you have the answers on how a Union should conduct itself, then why didn't you join a Union?


You are the typical loudmouth who stands on the sidelines and shouts to others how they should conduct themselves. Why didn't you join a Union and run for an office? Then if you had any balls you could have made some changes from within.

[BigClive]

The Ibew Was Started By Lineman For Lineman,

Then shouldn't they have called it the IBL instead of the International Brotherhood of "Electrical workers".

Besides it ain't international. We don't have your union here in the UK to the best of my knowledge. So that makes it BL.

I've given it a bit of thought and I've decided who the REAL broadbacks are. They're the gangs of short heavy built guys who work for the contractors that specialise in the really awkward underground and trench cable pulls where their short stature and heavy build make them ideal for dragging the bigger cables. You know, the ones that you guys don't want to do so you get a contractor in.

[Orgnizdlbr]

International as un the USA and Canada!

Originally it was the NBEW

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[Squizzy]

Safety Is Important, But You Have Done Both Apprentiships, Which Trade Is More Dangerous? I Guess What I Am Saying Is I Have Seen Guys Use Safety As An Excuse Not To Do The Work Or To Get A Hand In Trouble With Management. I Can Also Say Im Not A Narrow Back Fan. There Trying To Worm There Way Into Doing More Of A Linemans Work, Not The Climbing And Tower Work, But The U.g. And Sub Work. I,don't Like Narrow Backs, Never Have, I Am A Lineman For Lineman, So Stay Off Our Turf Nbacks, And I Will Stay Off Yours. But I Think Narrow Back Have A Little Lineman Complexs, And They Are Always Trying To Tell Me How Dangerous There Job Is. So Whats Your Deal, Why Did You Want To Be A Lineman?


Which is more dangerous? Not realising you veiw it as a contest as to who has bragging rights over who does the hazardous job they are both inherently hazardous what does it matter? If you are killed by electricity your killed it doesn't matter how badly you were killed the fact is your dead. Low voltage kills more lineman and electricians here than high voltage and that for here is a cold hard fact I don't have any stats or links to prove it but out of the last 6 lineman killed I know in Australia 5 were on the LV and another unfortunate lineman in New Zealand was from the LV. As for fatalities for electricians in Utility type work I can only recall one where another contractor trenched down the side of a concrete pad and the trench caved in pinning the guy and the transformer slid off the pad and onto him. The domestic and mining electricians do suffer several fatalities a year nearly all are LV related.
Whats my deal? Always wanted to be a lineman and an electrician I took some advice from a friend and did the electrician apprentiship first finished that and 4 years later the local utility advertised for elctricians to be trained as Lineman. As you pointed out there is a line of demarkation where lineman stop and electricians start and the linecrews with electricians in tow while doing fault work can rectify virtually anything. I can go on both sides of the meter and do the underground I am not restrained when working from having to leave jobs half done or waiting for some else to turn up and finish "the other side". We have clear boundries the utility side of the meter or the underground dome. With some electricians permitted to make of services but they are very few and VERY closely regulated by the utility and there is only 1 utility in the State. As for wheather the guys veiw a few services as encrouchment on their turf well not really thats all they are allowed to do and if a number of electricians weren't allowed to then utility and contactor crews would be broken down to go out and do services all day. The Utility has 380,000 ( overhead) services to replace at the moment not including new conections which are all underground pillar to pole jobs. The utility doesn't run any underground cables its all done by contactors, the splicing is done by lineman and cable splicers both utility and contactors. We have a chronic skills shortage here accross all trades and industries and its causing better wages and conditions but there are just not enough guys to keep up.

BTW - Swamp carry your own fuc&!ng boots! :D

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Swamp
Just got done reading ur response to T and cant help it this time, I gotta throw my 2 cents worth in,…after all we all got an opinion right? First off I aint taking sides on the union-non union issue, I know where I stand and if anyone wants my opinion I’ll give it up. I don’t blame ya for flarin based on the shot at you from T or who ever. I did read between the lines in your response and I don’t think you are as anti-Union as you “might” profess to be….Tell me if I’m wrong,,,I can take it  I know…..All Unions – All Trades- All Employers - you got the good…the bad…..and the ugly. I’ve seen it all, including within my own Local. I remember the long-shore strike and a few others which I had a hard time buyin their claimed justification and yep they did in fact inconvenience a lot of people union and non union alike. And I remember the PATCO strike which ole Ronnie put an end to based on “national interests”. I think you know ….as well as I do,,,the reasons labor “organized” back when.. A lotta things have changed since then and there is probably quite a few trades that I seriously doubt would return to “sweatshop” conditions if their Union folded. Not to mention the Hollywood writers????? Give me an FN break…writers union??????? WTF I try not to judge em all by the actions or inactions of a few – Unions or Employers People don’t realize in this great country – there will never be 100% organized labor – there will never be 100% unorganized labor and also it sure as hell doesn’t help organizing the unorganized by bashin em for being non-union. Ive never seen that work…ever. Ive been payin dues for over 30 years now, Im not rich but its been a damn good ride and its been the best investment Ive ever made. Even at over a hundred bucks a month, for the simple fact that if the Utility I work for was non-union. I would be looking at least 300-400 bucks a week less in wages and benefits. It doesn’t take a mathematician to cost that out. The Locals here in the NW with few exceptions, have done a pretty damn good job of keeping the employers in check – and without striking. I know a little history on Local 222 in Florida. I will let y’all be the judge on which category I mentioned earlier it falls into. Oh and by the way …probably excepting outside line contracts …Im pro Journeyman-only labor agreements. Didnt used to be but have been now for 5-6 yrs. Have a good one… ITS

[Squizzy]

Johnbellamy - I don't know about the labour situation in the US apart from there being few Lineman here its just a shortage of everything you name it we need it. Major mines and infrastructure on hold as there is not enough skilled labour to build it, people are getting sponsered to immigrate and work here as cashiers, waiters etc and any trade will get you in.
I think the major difference to here and the US is that there are too many grey areas that electricians are encrouching on lineman work here its straight forward up to this point lineman up to this point electrician. And having just a single Utility in the state and no inter state power lines makes it real simple also the only thing on our poles belong to the utility. No Telco's,data and cable and what ever other stuff you guys have hanging off your poles which posibly why the electricians are up your poles and crossing over trades and taking some of your work.
What are the classes of electricians in the US and are they all 4 year apprentiships? Some of our regulators, Worksafe and The Office Of Energy Safety would cut your nut$ off if you were not a lineman up a pole or not authorised by the Utility. It sounds like in the US that there has not been enough regulations set in place to control each trades' area of responsibility as for the under ground situation thats going to be up to the owner of that particular asset as to who is permitted to work on it.
So call me smart arse but if your union was built by lineman for lineman why are the electricians in control? Looks like you got your danger but the electricians got the brains;)
But on the other side of the coin if it bothers you and others so much split the union into sections. I am Union always have been and always will be. No worries on the stats its a small population in big place here if there is a accident word gets round the country as most utility's and contractors look into most accidents and discuss all fatal ones.
John the last time I read poetry was in high school I hated it then and I hate it now, you can read all the stuff you like by authors blowing steam up their own ar$es. The way I see it its a hazardous job we choose to do in non war-like conditions, with controls,methods,equipment and procedures in place to limit hazards and as you said if its too dangerous don't do it, I don't see how it makes you a hero but if reading and writting poetry about it is your thing you have yourself a good time with it...

[tolex42]

You ain't been on this board long enough to know a goddamn thing about me Mr. T.

Profess Union all ya want.
Once I truly understood the mentality of Union...I made a choice. I didn't like that thought line or the direction.

Reference the Dock workers Strike...a couple years ago. Caused disruption to the entire Unted States. They wouldn't offload the ships. Remember?
Even know what the strike was about?

Supermarkets ran low on products, people in supporting industrys were laid off...All on account of a Union Strike.

1 Union held AMERICA hostage...and effected Millions of Non union people and their jobs and livelyhood..

Reference the ongoing "Writers" Strike in Hollywood. Any Idea how many NON union people are out of jobs because of that strike? Probably not. Cause you don't give a shit. You're all about "Union".
Personally, I could give a shit. I don't watch the bullshit programs they write their shit for anyway.

Know what though?
You're right. And thank you for pointing that out to me.

I've been advocating an "ALL Linemans" Union for a LONG time. You have just shown me I am wrong.

An "ALL Linemans Union"...if they went on strike..could shut down this great country...and, turn out the friggin lights.

Maby you're right. I'll have to think on this....

Maby I am anti-Union. Thanks for the "Perspective" Mr. T.

Any "Union" that can "go on strike" and effect the Economy of the United States of America.....

Yup,
Maby I Am anti-union.
Thanks for the insight Mr. T. I'll have to think on this...

"Mayby I Am anti-union".

No doubt about it, you show it on this post and on many of your previous posts.

The greatest weapon a working man and his Union has is to withhold his labor. While that working man is placing everything he has on line, his home, his job, some jerk like you complains because he can't by buy a bag of potatoe chips or see a fresh, comedians monologue.

Unions have long been attacked and weakened by the anti-Union forces in this country ,even before a Reagan broke the Air Traffic Controllers strike.

How many times have you crossed or gone around a picket line?

[PA BEN]

Narrowbacks VS. Lineman. Gun hunter VS. Bow hunter. Fly fisherman VS. Bait fisherman. Yeah management wants us to fight and loves to see it. A house divided agents it's self will not stand. A little leaven will spread through the whole loaf of bread.:mad: So lets just keep fighting and not come together. I see more union brothers bitch about the union, but the funny thing is I don't ever see these brothers and sisters at a union meeting.:( I hear, "What has the union done for me?" But, I say, "Is what have you done for your union?

[Orgnizdlbr]

You ain't been on this board long enough to know a goddamn thing about me Mr. T.

Profess Union all ya want.
Once I truly understood the mentality of Union...I made a choice. I didn't like that thought line or the direction.

Reference the Dock workers Strike...a couple years ago. Caused disruption to the entire Unted States. They wouldn't offload the ships. Remember?
Even know what the strike was about?

Supermarkets ran low on products, people in supporting industrys were laid off...All on account of a Union Strike.

1 Union held AMERICA hostage...and effected Millions of Non union people and their jobs and livelyhood..

Reference the ongoing "Writers" Strike in Hollywood. Any Idea how many NON union people are out of jobs because of that strike? Probably not. Cause you don't give a shit. You're all about "Union".
Personally, I could give a shit. I don't watch the bullshit programs they write their shit for anyway.

Know what though?
You're right. And thank you for pointing that out to me.

I've been advocating an "ALL Linemans" Union for a LONG time. You have just shown me I am wrong.

An "ALL Linemans Union"...if they went on strike..could shut down this great country...and, turn out the friggin lights.

Maby you're right. I'll have to think on this....

Maby I am anti-Union. Thanks for the "Perspective" Mr. T.

Any "Union" that can "go on strike" and effect the Economy of the United States of America.....

Yup,
Maby I Am anti-union.
Thanks for the insight Mr. T. I'll have to think on this...

Interesting stuff, very interesting....not once did you mention the employer. Apparently in all instances and occassions where a strike occurs the workers are the cause, not the employer.

Let me give you an example, from personal experience, on issues that arise which cause workers to strike. In 2004 the employer came to our union and among other things, proposed to change retiree healthcare which, in some cases, raise retiree's healthcare costs by over 1000%. The union advised the employer that was unacceptable, retirees on fixed incomes cant afford such raises to their costs per month. Bottom line, employer and union dont come remotely close to resolving the issue. The Union strikes, a long strike, 13 weeks, the bottom line, the employer pulls the proposal resulting in an agreement.

There are issues that men take a stand for. Our issue was screwing our members who were retired. The employer never thought we would fight for retirees......The ceo of this company has one of the highest compensation packages in the industry. His stock options could cover the cost of half of our workers health and welfare benefits, In my book that's an injustice. I and every other union man should roll over like a girlyman when this employer wants to screw people.....I dont think so Brothers and Sisters.....

SOLIDARITY!!!

[Orgnizdlbr]

Narrowbacks VS. Lineman. Gun hunter VS. Bow hunter. Fly fisherman VS. Bait fisherman. Yeah management wants us to fight and loves to see it. A house divided agents it's self will not stand. A little leaven will spread through the whole loaf of bread.:mad: So lets just keep fighting and not come together. I see more union brothers bitch about the union, but the funny thing is I don't ever see these brothers and sisters at a union meeting.:( I hear, "What has the union done for me?" But, I say, "Is what have you done for your union?


Thank you PA, I wish more of us had the same attitude!!! You're a credit to your local!!!!

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[PA BEN]

Yes, it is dangerous. And yes when Journeymen Lineman kill apprentices it make these young people think twice about the trade. But the real problem is the utilities. It's cheaper to hire a trained Lineman then to train an apprentice. And to take the chance that once the apprentice tops out he will leave.:eek:

[tolex42]

Not once.

And Never would.

If my recollection serves me right, on a previous post you commented on linemen refusing to work 13k off of poles but you went in and did it and didn't see a problem with that. In my opinion, breaking down another man's conditions like that is the same thing as crossing his picket line.

[tolex42]

You're certainly entitled to your opinion.

I happen to work in a "Right to Work" state that says "You can work for a company, and not be forced to join a Union if one is present".

There's quite a few hands that work for the corp that won't join the Union.

Needless to say, they ain't very highly thought of. That's somethin I wouldn't do ether. I'd join the Union, like alot of the rats I worked with did when they were lucky enough to get on with Corp.

Anyway....No, never crossed a picket line. And like I said, never would.
You think what ya want.
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I've Gloved 13.2, which is 7200 Phase to ground, off the pole, many, many, many times. That's what we did, and still do. Backlot.

Cause.... the Company that hired us...Their boys, didn't do that type of work.

In your case, bein a Troubleman. NO. I wouldn't do that shit. Assumin, you're workin ALONE as a Troubleman.

Let me see if I have this right...................

"The Company that hired us.... Their boys, didn't do that type of work."

What I'm hearing is the utility company employees probably had it in their contract that they would not glove 7200 off of a pole..... a you nonunion guys went in their breaking down there safety conditions....... thanks a lot for your absence of solidarity!

[BigClive]

This One's For Big Clive, The Fact Of The Matter Is Anybody Can Pull U.g., But It Takes A Broad Back To Get It Done In The Air.

" I Don't Think It Takes A Vary "braveheart" To Do Ditch Work.

I disagree. The majority of linemen HATE underground work because it's heavy and filthy. It's much easier to climb a pole and string some much lighter and thinner wire through the air. The UG work also carries a much higher penalty when an electrical occurrence occurs in a vault as opposed to in the open air. Have you ever had training in hurt man rescue through a manhole leading down into a vault full of acrid smoke and the stench of burning flesh?

I think your issue is that you like the "hero" image associated with the traditional pole-climbing lineman image and get all protective when someone "less worthy" dares to climb one of your precious poles. The fact that you probably work out the bucket at every opportunity (like a window cleaner) seems irrelevant.

If you want a tough job then you might like to consider becoming a transmission lineman or an entertainment industry rigger. The riggers walk on narrow metal truss at an exceptional height above concrete floors covered in mechanical equipment and are required to get access to and indeed work on live electrical equipment at any position in a rigs three dimensional space using abseiling if needed. Not for the faint hearted. It goes without saying that most have a mountain climbing background and no fear of death.

[BigClive]

Yes, it is dangerous. And yes when Journeymen Lineman kill apprentices it make these young people think twice about the trade. But the real problem is the utilities. It's cheaper to hire a trained Lineman then to train an apprentice. And to take the chance that once the apprentice tops out he will leave.:eek:

Then it's up to them to make it worthwhile for the qualified apprentice to stay with the company. Even then, the hourly rate at the various stages of an apprentices training are appropriate to their contribution to the work.

The biggest issue around the world is that the technically inept management of these larger corporate companies are more interested in making themselves look good by turning higher profits (for personal bonus). They are too keen to make profit to see the dwindling numbers of skilled workers or the rotting system. Once it all collapses they go and get a job elsewhere.

I'm afraid the future of all areas of the electrical industry is a dumb plug-together system where the only truly skilled workers are the ones who have to make it work when it goes wrong.

[BigClive]

And Yes I Have Heard From The Sawmill And Industral Electrcians On How They Deal With High Voltage, But I Have Yet To See Them Strap On A Set Of Hooks, Or Work Any Transmission.

The company I served my apprenticeship with did high voltage distribution within steelworks, but it tended to be run through underground tunnels. As such the hooks were more of a hinderance, since they tend to scratch the floor quite badly and make loud clanking noises when we went down the metal ladder into the tunnels. :p

[BigClive]

Ooh! John's gonna HATE me for this...... ;)

Look at me I'm a hero, shouted Johnny from in the air.
But no-one looked at his wooden pole, 'cos they really didn't care.
All but one, a soldier who shouted up "you think you're tough".
But YOU don't get shot at daily, you whining little puff.

Come down off that telephone pole, we've underground to lay.
NO! I don't do that dirty work, so up this pole I stay.
Undergrounds for menials you f*cking narrowback.
But the foreman didn't like that so he gave wee John the sack.

[johnbellamy]

Ooh! Bill's gonna HATE me for this...... ;)

Look at me I'm a hero, shouted Bill from in the air.
But no-one looked at his wooden pole, 'cos they really didn't care.
All but one, a soldier who shouted up "you think you're tough".
But YOU don't get shot at daily, you little whining puff.

Come down off that telephone pole, we've underground to lay.
NO! I don't do that dirty work, so up this pole I stay.
Undergrounds for menials you f*cking narrowback.
But the foreman didn't like that so he gave wee Bill the sack.

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[Orgnizdlbr]

Hey John, why ya shouting?? Turn off your cap locks........

[BigClive]

Hey John, why ya shouting?? Turn off your cap locks........

Because I've REALLY pissed him off. "DING!" Mission accomplished. ;)

Now I'm really in a poetry mood. :D

I look into my laptop and what is it I see?
I see an angry linegod, and he's ranting back at me.

[johnbellamy]

Narrowbacks VS. Lineman. Gun hunter VS. Bow hunter. Fly fisherman VS. Bait fisherman. Yeah management wants us to fight and loves to see it. A house divided agents it's self will not stand. A little leaven will spread through the whole loaf of bread.:mad: So lets just keep fighting and not come together. I see more union brothers ***** about the union, but the funny thing is I don't ever see these brothers and sisters at a union meeting.:( I hear, "What has the union done for me?" But, I say, "Is what have you done for your union?

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[PA BEN]

Sounds like you need a vacation Johny boy:rolleyes:

[johnbellamy]

Hey John, why ya shouting?? Turn off your cap locks........

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Sounds like you need a vacation Johny boy:rolleyes:

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[PA BEN]

COME ON PA BEN, YOU CAN DO BETTER THAN THAT, DON'T GO RUNNING FROM MY QUESTIONS, I KNOW YOU WANT TO SAY SOMETHING, SO LET ME HAVE PA BEN, TELL ME I'M TIRED OF YOUR BULLSHIT JOHNNY BOY, COME ON BESTOW YOUR WISDOM ON ME, FIRE AWAY, IM ASKING FOR IT MAYBE YOU CAN TAKE ME TO THAT ENLIGHTEND PLACE WHERE YOU ARE, SHOW ME THE ERROR OF MY WAYS. TELL ME HOW TO FIX WHAT SEEING. YOUR FROM WASHINGTON, MAYBE WE KNOW EACH OTHER? I WAS BORN AND RASIED IN KLICKITAT WA. WHERE YOU LOCATED? WHO DO YOU WORK FOR, MAYBE WE KNOW SOME OF THE SAME HANDS.
Why should I bust your balls?:D You have every right in the world to speak your mind. I'd have to pull the plank out of my eye before I pick the spec of dust out of yours.

[BigClive]

I JUST HATE HAVING TO HIT SHIFT EVERYTIME I START A NEW SENTENCE, FOR AWHILE, THE COMPUTER WAS DOING IT FOR ME. BUT IT STOPPED ALL OF A SUDDEN. YOU DON'T MAKE ME MAD "little clive" YOU JUST MAKE ME LAUGH, JUST LIKE YOUR AVATAR, IS THAT YOU WITH "little undergound cable" UPSET THAT YOU CAN'T BE A LINEMAN?

Maybe you've drooled on the keyboard and shorted out the punctuation controller.

Johnny punched his keyboard 'cos it made him feel much better.
The Caps Lock key got broke right off and stuck in capital letter.

Yes you're right. That's a picture of me trying to be just like you. Oh, wait a minute.... I just have to press this wee button here....
THERE WE GO. THAT'S BETTER, NOW I CAN TYPE IN BIG MANLY LETTERS AND MY LIFE IS FULFILLED.


I work up poles and work down holes and climb up metal too.
Your work is somewhat simpler, but is well suited to you.
You're right, I'm not a lineman, but I do still work with power.
You'll have to turn your TV on to see _MY_ great big tower.

[johnbellamy]

Why should I bust your balls?:D You have every right in the world to speak your mind. I'd have to pull the plank out of my eye before I pick the spec of dust out of yours.
P.S. I'm from Chewelah, north of Spokane.

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[Hemingray Insulators]

hmm
according to yahoo, there is a John R. Bellamy in seattle, not oregon, but mabey the # 4106 is of significance to him

[johnbellamy]

hmm
according to yahoo, there is a John R. Bellamy in seattle, not oregon, but mabey the # 4106 is of significance to him

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[johnbellamy]

It seems strange to me that this self centered Line GOD joined when Canadian Lineman quit posting,
Did he want to become a not so famous Canadian that moved to the USA?? Coincidence, probably, but it’s the same type diatribe. Also, I don’t care for people that refer to Linemen or Men as Hands; it’s degrading in my book. Love your biography though, almost choked on my rum& coke, you egotistical
Whatever.

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[BigClive]

CHICKS DIG ME CAUSE I RARELY WAIR UNDERWARE ,BUT WHEN I DO ITS USUALLY SOMETHING UNUSUAL.

Yeah, I noticed that in Johns "biography", I think it means that he wears ladies underwear. I do hope he's not getting involved with lesbians. They might get him drunk then pull down his little knickers and give him a right good seeing to with a double ender.

[johnbellamy]

[QUOTE=1sully;38811]Jelly Belly?, I thought that was your name, screens a little fuzzy tonight Bellamy, I don’t think you could teach me much of anything except being a wiseass, haven’t seen or done it all, but what I have is a Hell of lot more than you have. Don’t worry about my health it’s just fine, golden years are great so is the pay, hang in there you might get there yourself.

JB; what’s unusual, I’m old but I’m always willing to learn.




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[PA BEN]

I think when a LINEMAN talks about his underwear in front of other LINEMAN he's posting on the wrong site. Maybe he should post on GAYLINEMAN.COM:D

[johnbellamy]

I think when a LINEMAN talks about his underwear in front of other LINEMAN he's posting on the wrong site. Maybe he should post on GAYLINEMAN.COM:D

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[PA BEN]

I GUESS I AM SECURE ENOUGH WITH MY MANHOOD TO HAVE A LITTLE FUN, BESIDES PA BEN THERE ARE MORE THAN JUST LINEMAN THAT CHECK THIS SITE. GIRL FREINDS WIVES AND LINE GROUPIES, BE CAREFUL OR I MIGHT DO SOME POACHING. ME LIKES THE LADIES.....

Nice come back:D

[BigClive]

AND "little clive" LOOKS LIKE YOU STILL WANT TO BE. STILL NO NARROWBACK .COM. I GUESS ITS O.K., MAYBE SOMEDAY "little clive". I AM GLAD YOU ARE AROUND , YOU PROVE A LOT THINGS I SAY ABOUT NARROWBACKS ARE TRUE. YOU ARE ANNOYING LITTLE PUSSIES THAT GET IN THE WAY AND THAT SAY THINGS THAT ARE IRRELLIVANT. THANKS, MAYBE YOU AND JELLYBELLY CAN CHAT, I THINK YOU GOT ALOT IN COMMON.

Oh chill out! We're just ripping the piss because you're so easy to wind up. :)

Besides, this particular "narrowback" spent his apprenticeship with a Scottish company that specialised in the heavy electrical engineering in steelworks. We DID do high voltage distribution and indeed every flavour of electricity imaginable including the DC network for the cranes. Your airborne wires and even cables in trenches pale into insignificance when you consider that we had to bolt heavy guage ladder rack onto girders, lock the huge cables onto them with clamps and then cover them with back breaking sheets of 1/2" thick steel plate to protect them from splashes of molten metal. The same cables were routed around the steelworks partly underground and partly overhead on a matrix of steel bridges.

There was unfortunately a fairly high injury and death rate in that work due to the unforgiving nature of molten steel and of course the high voltage. We did get a token gesture "danger money" allowance, but just really thought of it as a "bonus". A lot of the guys I worked with in the steelworks died quite young and I'm not really sure what caused that. Health and safety wasn't really so high profile then.

To give you an idea of just how heavy the electrical work we did was, we had a full smithy (blacksmiths workshop) in each of our main workshops and even employed full time blacksmiths to fabricate the custom steelwork required for the installation of the electrical gear. Each smithy contained an anvil and forge alongside a good selection of heavy metalworking tools. If we needed to work on heavier stuff we could use the steelworks own bigger smithy's that were used to maintain the equipment and tools.

Going into an environment like that at the age of 16 probably shaped me the way I am now. The steelworkers all had the same "broad shoulder" look and it was only later that I realised that it was probably a result of doing such heavy work at a young age.

From a technically interesting perspective my first day in the industry was at Glengarnock Steelworks and I was working in the DC hall. This was a long hallway with slate switchgear on both sides that looked like something out of a Frankenstein movie. It was all big brass knife switches and huge ornate meter dials. In the middle was a massive glass mercury rectifier (I didn't know what it was at the time) and it was fed from our substation transformers mounted outside the hall. I asked if we were stripping the hall out to replace it, but was told we were INSTALLING it from another steelworks because the older stuff was more reliable. (How true!)

It was a great apprenticeship. We did everything electrical including the arc furnace power and all substation and machinery maintenance. I loved it.

[johnbellamy]

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[johnbellamy]

[QUOTE=Swamprat;38856]Tell ya what my man....

I been on this board, goin on 9 years now. Both a Workin Journeyman Lineman, and a halfassed Retired Journeyman Lineman.... I ain't let NOBODY run my ass off. NOBODY. You can't piss me off that bad. I'm better than that.

And YOU, who just got here....are DONE? :D

If you're "DONE TYPIN", after 31 posts...then you really don't need to even be here. As a Journeyman Lineman.

I hear what you're sayin. You're sick and Fuc$in FED up, with the way the IBEW is goin, and Run. Been talkin that **** for years.

All I get is..."Join the Union, run for office, and do somethin about it." Yeah right....

Then, I always get the "There's Strength in Numbers thing." Yeah, Right.

"Hows that workin for ya"?

You jumped in here with Both Feet, got your ass jumped on with both feet.
Now you're DONE?

I'll make a bet and say..."I don't think so". But hay...if that's the way it is?

"See ya".:p

If ya do come back....

DUDE!!!!!!!!!!

LEARN HOW to TYPE!!! The ALL CAPS thing is just....really a turn off to everybody. Seriously man.[/QUOTE................

[johnbellamy]

"hell man i aint goin nowhere, just want to talk about real issues, and real solutions,"


Well...Seriously...thanks for takin off the CAP LOCK, That really sucked man.

Actually, All I've seen ya talk about is the "Problems" for Linemen. I ain't heard "Solution" one.

What are "UNION ISSUES"? I been "Talkin bout" a Linemans ONLY Union...a hell of a long time before your 32 posts.:p

RATS?:D Us RAT Fuc$ers will ALWAYS be here.:D

Just to "Take up the SLACK"...so to speak.:cool:

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[RWD]

no one controls their own destiny. We can try but well.... life is not fair and anyone who trys to make it fair is in for a rude awakening when their head hits the brick wall.

We can guide and we can do many things to attempt to come out ahead but if we think the universe cares we will fail.

I have no problems with my boss getting more money than me, Nor his boss getting more than him. Thats part of the game. An individual who practices hard work and intelegent thought succedes most of the time to progress in the ranks. If we got into theis to get rich we did not think too far ahead. If we got into this to make a decent living .... we did better than most.

HAve fun tearing me apert!

RWD

[powerhotdog]

do the union busting fatcats pay you well for being there yes boys?

I know quite a few Union " YES" Boys. :confused:

[dirtdobber]

Ive worked on a few power co. propertys in my time as a so called rat contractor and have come to figure 1 thing out. if you power co. assholes did your jobs like you needed the money instead of hiding behind your union stickers and crying about how hard you are being worked I guarantee us rat bastards would go away.a little food for thought.:D :eek:

[johnbellamy]

Let me ask ya somethin Johnny Boy....

Are linemen who work for Municipal Utilities and REA's that are not Union...Rats?:confused:

Or in your opinion, is it just "Non Union Contractors", who are Rats?

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[johnbellamy]

no one controls their own destiny. We can try but well.... life is not fair and anyone who trys to make it fair is in for a rude awakening when their head hits the brick wall.

We can guide and we can do many things to attempt to come out ahead but if we think the universe cares we will fail.

I have no problems with my boss getting more money than me, Nor his boss getting more than him. Thats part of the game. An individual who practices hard work and intelegent thought succedes most of the time to progress in the ranks. If we got into theis to get rich we did not think too far ahead. If we got into this to make a decent living .... we did better than most.

HAve fun tearing me apert!

RWD



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[johnbellamy]

I know quite a few Union " YES" Boys. :confused:

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[johnbellamy]

Ive worked on a few power co. propertys in my time as a so called rat contractor and have come to figure 1 thing out. if you power co. *******s did your jobs like you needed the money instead of hiding behind your union stickers and crying about how hard you are being worked I guarantee us rat *******s would go away.a little food for thought.:D :eek:

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[PA BEN]

a " RAT" ANY SO CALLED LINEMAN, WHO DID NOT GO THROUGH A IBEW UNION APPRENTISHIP, AND WHO IS NOT AKNOWLEDGE BY A LOCAL. OTHER RATS INCLUDE ANY OTHER POSITION ASSCOIATED WITH THE TRADE, THAT DO NOT PAY DUES, OR GO THROUGH OTHER UNION APPROVED TRAINING OR APPRENTISHIPS. i don't care who you work for, private, pud's, rea's, co-ops, ect.

I started my apprenticeship for a non-union utility. Went to Union JATC schools. First year and second year. My Union instructors treated me like a scab. At no time did they come to me and talk to me about Unionism. Also the Union told my employer that I would never be a Journeyman lineman, unless we were Union. So my employer chose not to send me to the third year school. I worked as a qualified employee for 11 years. My employer developed a apprenticeship program which was approved by the state and the IBEW. After 11 years I went back to the second year JATC school. The instructors treated me like a scab and I had to knuckle down and get good grades so they wouldn't drum me out. My third year instructor was the same instructor I had 11 years before. They treated me like Sh!t. But you know, I finished the top, in the class. We had our class picture taken on top of the cross arm on a 100ft H frame. All the union boys got a copy but I didn't. At no time did a good union brother come to me about unionism. Needless to say it left a bad taste in my mouth about being union. I got my Journeyman card. And 5 years later I called the union in. Went through a year of hell, couldn't pass a blood pressure test for my CDL. So I left. I applied at this utility I'm at now, took 77's Journeyman's test here. (2.5 hrs) Passed and been here 3 years now. I'll never go non-union again. I fell into that apprenticeship in my home town. It was a great job. I had my family there and up rooted them all to come here. That utility is union now, but didn't get a great contract. It would have been nice that 24 years ago one of those union boys took me under there wing and showed me the way. But no treat me like a scab. So, I say to you, take your RAT SH!T comment and stick it up your.......:mad:

[ivanho]

:D Ding-ding- ding. your the winner of the chicken dinner.You got it right there brother...
Narrowbacks VS. Lineman. Gun hunter VS. Bow hunter. Fly fisherman VS. Bait fisherman. Yeah management wants us to fight and loves to see it. A house divided agents it's self will not stand. A little leaven will spread through the whole loaf of bread.:mad: So lets just keep fighting and not come together. I see more union brothers bitch about the union, but the funny thing is I don't ever see these brothers and sisters at a union meeting.:( I hear, "What has the union done for me?" But, I say, "Is what have you done for your union?

[johnbellamy]

I started my apprenticeship for a non-union utility. Went to Union JATC schools. First year and second year. My Union instructors treated me like a scab. At no time did they come to me and talk to me about Unionism. Also the Union told my employer that I would never be a Journeyman lineman, unless we were Union. So my employer chose not to send me to the third year school. I worked as a qualified employee for 11 years. My employer developed a apprenticeship program which was approved by the state and the IBEW. After 11 years I went back to the second year JATC school. The instructors treated me like a scab and I had to knuckle down and get good grades so they wouldn't drum me out. My third year instructor was the same instructor I had 11 years before. They treated me like Sh!t. But you know, I finished the top, in the class. We had our class picture taken on top of the cross arm on a 100ft H frame. All the union boys got a copy but I didn't. At no time did a good union brother come to me about unionism. Needless to say it left a bad taste in my mouth about being union. I got my Journeyman card. And 5 years later I called the union in. Went through a year of hell, couldn't pass a blood pressure test for my CDL. So I left. I applied at this utility I'm at now, took 77's Journeyman's test here. (2.5 hrs) Passed and been here 3 years now. I'll never go non-union again. I fell into that apprenticeship in my home town. It was a great job. I had my family there and up rooted them all to come here. That utility is union now, but didn't get a great contract. It would have been nice that 24 years ago one of those union boys took me under there wing and showed me the way. But no treat me like a scab. So, I say to you, take your RAT SH!T comment and stick it up your.......:mad:

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[johnbellamy]

**** dude...you're just Radical as **** ain't ya?:p

Yup.
I read your posts...
and I Certainly want to become a Union member.....NOT.

Ever heard of "Farm Teams"?
Rat Contractors...are the Farm teams for Unions. You stupid ****.



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[johnbellamy]

heh, heh, heh....:p

Yeah, me and a couple other "Linemen" on here had your ass pegged, the day ya started postin.

Just keep postin "Johnny..." Please...
you're alot of Fun Dude!;)

You sure you ain't "CL"....by another handle? :D

That boy sure ain't been around much anymore.
He must of run out of "Famous Canadians" to post....heh, heh, heh...:p


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[johnbellamy]

Spoken like the True UNION boy....You're NOT. heh, heh, heh.:D

The REAL Union MEN on this board, have a respect for the Trade. Whether you're in the Union on not. We have respect for eachother.

Are you really 39? You sound like you're about 18 with a hard on.:D

Oh BTW...
I see you've gone Brain dead again...
and had to go back to all CAPS. I bet you can't chew gum and walk either....:(

yup..."YOU The MAN".:cool:

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[johnbellamy]

Originally Posted by Swamprat http://ww3.powerlineman.com/lforum/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://ww3.powerlineman.com/lforum/showthread.php?p=38886#post38886)
Let me ask ya somethin Johnny Boy....

Are linemen who work for Municipal Utilities and REA's that are not Union...Rats?:confused:

Or in your opinion, is it just "Non Union Contractors", who are Rats?
a " RAT" ANY SO CALLED LINEMAN, WHO DID NOT GO THROUGH A IBEW UNION APPRENTISHIP, AND WHO IS NOT AKNOWLEDGE BY A LOCAL. OTHER RATS INCLUDE ANY OTHER POSITION ASSCOIATED WITH THE TRADE, THAT DO NOT PAY DUES, OR GO THROUGH OTHER UNION APPROVED TRAINING OR APPRENTISHIPS. i don't care who you work for, private, pud's, rea's, co-ops, ect.

I don't dance man.
But I'll watch ya blow your flute to try to make me.:D

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[loodvig]

I started at a small Muni. We made the same $$ as the guy on the highway dept. My foreman was a drunk who never went 'up'! I was on call every 3rd week and was called in as the 2nd man the other 2 weeks. I moved on and became a RAT. I really learned linework there! Sure there were assholes there too but you get that everywhere. We were on N.Grid property when the job ended and they needed help so I signed on. I joined the IBEW. But I was still a RAT! First thing I had to learn was to slow down.
One of our first jobs was to move a 3 phase 120/208 bank at a medical center. No outage! They wanted me on the ground! OK by me I'm gettin paid. We set a pole and hang 3 new cans. Now both banks are hot and they are all looking at each other. NO ONE knew how to phase em together! So I ask the crew leader if he wanted em put together. They all watched as I phased em and stripped down the old bank. We had 2 buckets but no one else came up. Fuk em I didn't care!
Now the crew leader calls out the foreman and tells him I might have lost rotation! LOL
After some time we got along pretty good but I never forgot that crew leader!
I'm the first to admit that I went union because of the bennies. WTF I was sick of driving an hour to work each way and I was getting older. I will say that I've been fuked more by my union brothers than any place else!

[PA BEN]

well pa ben you must have wanted that UNION JOURNEYMAN TICKET real bad, and congratulations on your success, sorry you were treated that way so many years ago, but now knowing what being union is, i hope you can understand, those guys that were hard on you got you where you are now. a union journeyman, and like you said you would never leave. why is that pa ben? do you understand now why they did what they did? it's a hard line i take, don't care though, i am a union journeyman and proud of it because i no what it means,

First of all after my apprenticeship I got my ticket, a non-union JOURNEYMAN TICKET. Even through the IBEW approved the apprentice agreement along with the State, It wasn't a union ticket until I joined and took the UNION Journeyman test. I know of union journeyman who couldn't pass the test, but are lit in because of a union journeyman ticket. And for a, "long time", "union man/instructor" to treat a young apprentice like a scab is just wrong. If he was such a great union man he should have taken me under his wing and showed me the way. I will not understand that. Yes, "on my own" I have found the benefits of being union. And believe me, I will try to organize every chance I get. I hear a lot from old union hands like yourself.....bitch.....bitch....bitch. But, I never see a one of them at a meeting, run office or get involved. But you keep talking your sh!T. I'm sure a lot of non union hands here reading your bitching are just running to join. One thing about being new to the union, I'm not complacent and beat up like you, so I can see past all the bullsh!T. Unlike you. Like I said before, take a vacation, chill out, maybe move to a new utility and get a new outlook on life. P.S. It must be because of old union hands like yourself, that put your local in the place it is in now.:eek:

[johnbellamy]

First of all after my apprenticeship I got my ticket, a non-union JOURNEYMAN TICKET. Even through the IBEW approved the apprentice agreement along with the State, It wasn't a union ticket until I joined and took the UNION Journeyman test. I know of union journeyman who couldn't pass the test, but are lit in because of a union journeyman ticket. And for a, "long time", "union man/instructor" to treat a young apprentice like a scab is just wrong. If he was such a great union man he should have taken me under his wing and showed me the way. I will not understand that. Yes, "on my own" I have found the benefits of being union. And believe me, I will try to organize every chance I get. I hear a lot from old union hands like yourself.....*****.....*****....*****. But, I never see a one of them at a meeting, run office or get involved. But you keep talking your sh!T. I'm sure a lot of non union hands here reading your *****ing are just running to join. One thing about being new to the union, I'm not complacent and beat up like you, so I can see past all the bullsh!T. Unlike you. Like I said before, take a vacation, chill out, maybe move to a new utility and get a new outlook on life. P.S. It must be because of old union hands like yourself, that put your local in the place it is in now.:eek:


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[RWD]

Fair is fair ... They tried that in the old Soviet union. All equal ... failed.

Local 969 has been closed I heard. Grand Junction Colorado. I retired my card from there around 1989. I went away for a while. People with so much hate for others ussually are insecure in thier own right.

If your good at what you do and there is a need for what you do you will excell. Rat or union .... It's just harder in the Union. Not because of rats ... nope because of fellows who are not too good riding on the coat tails of those who are.

I've got nothing against unions, nor against Rats. Been in both sides of the pole. Rat allows folks to learn basics and grow. It also lets the cream go to the top quickly. Unions allow folks to learn and grow at a slower pace. Some of the details are covered better rather than a learn as you go.

If we can't be "Brothers" then lets be pole buddies. If we can 't do that then lets just start shooting eachother and the devil be damned.

RWD

[Orgnizdlbr]

Well RWD, I was sworn into the IBEW 36 years ago, but I have nothing against rats. Quite the opposite of some opinions here, I would like to see all "rat" lineman in the IBEW. There are good and bad in both union and non-union, that's just a fact of life.

If all of the non-union lineman organized, the wages and conditions would rise for all.

[RWD]

It would be a sight to see. The issue of animosity between two groups in my opinion is bogus. What I saw un the IBEW vrs. Rat was that IBEW had knowledge that was book and experiance. Most Rats had think on your feet common sense and a desire to do a good job. I as a rat knew I had enough knowledge for the work I was completing but was unsure of my "other" training. Later when I took the IBEW test and passed for my Travling card I found that the training I'd had as a rat was good just not confirmed.... with a test. I needed that confirmation to assure me I was really fit to be a leader. I had prior to the test felt unsure of myself. NON of my training was Union. It was all US NAVY. Up to that point 80% of my experiance was either military or Rat. Given the opportunity to take the test as a Co-op lineman took me to another level. I am still learning but I do know what I have learned is correct.

All that to say ... We Rats and Union hands are not and should not be spiteful and fighting. We all have something to give and recieve from others.

(ADAK helped)

RWD

[Orgnizdlbr]

It would be a sight to see. The issue of animosity between two groups in my opinion is bogus. What I saw un the IBEW vrs. Rat was that IBEW had knowledge that was book and experiance. Most Rats had think on your feet common sense and a desire to do a good job. I as a rat knew I had enough knowledge for the work I was completing but was unsure of my "other" training. Later when I took the IBEW test and passed for my Travling card I found that the training I'd had as a rat was good just not confirmed.... with a test. I needed that confirmation to assure me I was really fit to be a leader. I had prior to the test felt unsure of myself. NON of my training was Union. It was all US NAVY. Up to that point 80% of my experiance was either military or Rat. Given the opportunity to take the test as a Co-op lineman took me to another level. I am still learning but I do know what I have learned is correct.

All that to say ... We Rats and Union hands are not and should not be spiteful and fighting. We all have something to give and recieve from others.

(ADAK helped)

RWD

If I put forth the notion that all lineman should be organized, I would be a fool to spew venom towards my non-union brethren.

For all of you union hands out there, what sense does it make to denigrate or otherwise shun the non-union lineman that do the same type of work we do? If some of us would put our machismo on hold, we just might be better able when we attempt to convince our non-union brothers to join our union. I gotta tell ya, if I was a rat, and I was spoken to the way some of us speak to one another here, I would be very skeptical about joining an organization that fostered that behavior.

Think about the upside brothers and sisters, all of us organized, a pretty daunting task but, imagine the upside.....what bargaining power!

[dirtdobber]

great thought I for one wish that would happen and agree with your statement about some of these union guys bashing rats or vice versa. my previous post was just as I said food for thought. the union hands that do there jobs and do not ride the coat tails of there union will help me no matter what. things might just change as far as us rats thinking differently of the union. I know a lot of union lineman and rat bastard lineman(as we are called) and have made pretty darn good friends with them. I let my work ethics speak for me not some union rep getting rich off my sorry ass. as I see things in todays world the union sure aint what it was oh leta say 25 years ago.:eek:

[PA BEN]

I DON'T HAVE TO TRY TO EXPLAIN TO A BUNCH OF RAT SYMPATHIZING WHINNERS LIKE YOURSELVES WHAT KIND OF LINEMAN I AM OR HOW WELL I KNOW MY TRADE OR SIT AND HEAR HOW TOUGH YOU HAVE HAD IT OR THAT YOU THINK YOU KNOW ME, YOU DON'T KNOW RATSHIT. SOME OF MY POSTINGS SAY WHAT I FEEL, SOME ARE JUST FOR AMUSEMENT. DANCE FOR US RAT...... I HAVE TOLD YOU WHO I AM WHERE I HAVE WORKED, GOT NOTHING TO HIDE, PRETTY SECURE IN WHO I AM, SOUNDS LIKE YOU RATS AREN'T, JELLYBELLY: COULD'NT CUT IT FOURTY YEARS AGO, SHIT HAVE ANOTHER DRINK YOU WASHED UP OLD ****, YOU PROBABLY AIN'T HALF THE HAND I AM AYE.... I HAVE MADE PEOPLE MISERABLY IF THEY ASK FOR IT, EVEN MADE SOME OF YOUR SO CALLED LINEMAN CRY, WIND THEM UP AND WATCH THEM DANCE FOR ME JUST LIKE I AM DOING TO YOU..... PEOPLE WHO I RESPECT THOUGH KNOW WHAT I AM ABOUT, AND WHO I AM. TALK TO SOME OF THE APES AND YOUNG JOURNEYMAN I HAVE WORKED WITH, THE FOREMAN, SEE WHAT THEY HAVE TO SAY ABOUT ME, ABOUT MY SKILL LEVEL AND PRODUCTION. OR SEE HOW MUCH WHINNING OR BITCHING I DO ON THE JOB, IM TIRED OF REPEATING MY SELF. PA BEN LOKS LIKE YOU NEVER WERE SECURE IN YOUR TRADE OR WHO YOU ARE AS A HAND, THATS WHY YOU WANTED TO SHED THAT "QUALIFIED WORKER" TITLE, AND IT ONLY TOOK YOU 11 YEARS AS ONE TO BE THE TOP IN YOUR CLASS AGAINST GUYS WITH 3 YEAR UNDER THEIR BELT, GOOD FOR YOU PA BEN, TRY TO TELL EVERYBODY YOUR HARD LUCK STORY AT EVERY UNION MEETING YOU GO TO, MAYBE THAT WHY GUYS LIKE ME DON'T GO TO MEETINGS CAUSE ALL THEY ARE BITCH SESSION, THAT AREN'T WORTH OUR TIME.

NOW DANCE..... I PUSHED QUITE A FEW KEYS.......DANCE FOR ME RAT....

And for me to enter into a fool's folly, is to become a fool like you:eek:

[johnbellamy]

Fair is fair ... They tried that in the old Soviet union. All equal ... failed.

Local 969 has been closed I heard. Grand Junction Colorado. I retired my card from there around 1989. I went away for a while. People with so much hate for others ussually are insecure in thier own right.

If your good at what you do and there is a need for what you do you will excell. Rat or union .... It's just harder in the Union. Not because of rats ... nope because of fellows who are not too good riding on the coat tails of those who are.

I've got nothing against unions, nor against Rats. Been in both sides of the pole. Rat allows folks to learn basics and grow. It also lets the cream go to the top quickly. Unions allow folks to learn and grow at a slower pace. Some of the details are covered better rather than a learn as you go.

If we can't be "Brothers" then lets be pole buddies. If we can 't do that then lets just start shooting eachother and the devil be ****ed.

RWD


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[johnbellamy]

Thank goodness, the "Majority" of Union Linemen...aren't like you. You're a Bad seed man. Simply spoken.

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[johnbellamy]

You don't know **** *******. That's QUITE obvious...

Guess you and your "buddies" decided to "Think collectively" to post one comment huh?:D

That bout figures....
"Great minds, think together".

Guys like you, need help to friggin walk straight. God knows ya couldn't post a coherent post on this board by your own stupid self.

You're a fuc$in FRAUD dude.:D And you've certainly shown it.
39 years old my ass....:p

Been Fun "Playin" with ya though. I enjoy the Hell out of the "entertainment" guys like you provide me, and the REAL Linemen on this LINEMANS Board.

So...
ya really leavin? Or is this just some more of your Bull****? :p

"SEE YA"...MF'er

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[johnbellamy]

SEE ya MF'r....You've blown your wad here....:p :D

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[RWD]

Johnbellamy ...... You are just a bitter asshole with a loud mouth trying to drag the rest of the world into your hole instead of making it better with your presence.

Climb out of the hole or you'll die bitter and ugly.

RWD

[johnbellamy]

Johnbellamy ...... You are just a bitter ******* with a loud mouth trying to drag the rest of the world into your hole instead of making it better with your presence.

Climb out of the hole or you'll die bitter and ugly.

RWD

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[dirtdobber]

this site was created by real lineman that respect each other for what and who we are and the dangeros job we do and do well. its little fing punks like you that keep real men from becoming union think on that sissy. oh by the way for those that have not read his profile I say sissy because he says he wears no underwear but when he decides to its something strange I bet its his moms 5 lbers or his girfriends dirty thongs.:eek: :p 1 more thing the only rats you know are up your ass with a string so you can pull them back out you little candy assed whimp.

[BigClive]

So tell me John. Do you have a preference for ladies knickers as regards their colour? You sound to me like a pink knicker type of guy.

[johnbellamy]

this site was created by real lineman that respect each other for what and who we are and the dangeros job we do and do well. its little fing punks like you that keep real men from becoming union think on that sissy. oh by the way for those that have not read his profile I say sissy because he says he wears no underwear but when he decides to its something strange I bet its his moms 5 lbers or his girfriends dirty thongs.:eek: :p 1 more thing the only rats you know are up your ass with a string so you can pull them back out you little candy assed whimp.

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[Stick-it]

You're an idiot.

[johnbellamy]

You're an idiot.

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[johnbellamy]

You COMPLETELY...don't get this magnificant site do ya dude.

This is a LINEMANS Site.

REAL Linemen.

Union and Non Union....
who talk, argue, and get together, for the "Betterment" of LINEMEN and the TRADE of Linework.

You're just an aggitatin ****.

But I must say...If You're havin fun....I Certainly am too.:D How do ya like my new Avitar?:cool:
Aimed at you buttwipe.:p


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[johnbellamy]

Yup Johnny boy....

I know your routine. Post, and log off...then come back to rant again.

You been alot of fun man....really.

You've brought out alot of cool comments from LINEMEN who don't post here much. That's really cool. It's shown the "Brotherhood" of LINEMEN...TRUE Linemen, when an ******* like you shows up.:p

However dude...
This Board has seen MANY guys like you come...and "go".

Thru all the *******s like you...the REAL LINEMEN...are still here.

Have your fun man...

When you get tired of postin...as you will. The REAL LINEMEN, will still be here. Talkin bout LINEWORK, and gettin together.

You can have the last post.....I know you're waitin for me....

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[1sully]

Your last post? GOD I hope not, I need something to keep me amused while I’m setting in my rocking
Chair, You dip shit. You wouldn’t make a pimple on a Lineman’s Ass.

YOU’RE A TOTAL WASTE OF SKIN John Bellamy aka John Robert Bellamy aka John Retard Bellamy
aka Jelly Belly, from now on you will know as J B ( JIZZ BRAIN) because that’s where most of it
landed, your one sick puppy. I’m sorry (kind of) that I porked Miss Melody, but someone had to try
and put some limbs on that tree. Hang in there Boy, someday you might become A Man.
You aint gittin me to dance Boy, I’m a Beau Jangles type guy, so put on your thong on and head back to Brokeback Mountain with the rest of your wimp pals.

Come on back Breaker 1-9 got my ears on.

[Squizzy]

He's sort of a CL clone but with an inferiority complex about Narrowbacks instead of the US...

[BigClive]

"little clive" MAYBE DIRT DOBBER CAN HANDLE YOUR HOMOSEXUAL URGES, MAYBE HE'LL PUT HIS RAT DICK WHERE YOU WANT IF YOU PULL UP THAT CUTE LITTLE SKIRT YOU WAIR

Ooh yeah! I like it when you talk dirty, you big butch lineman. I bet you wear sexy leather chaps and have a big handlebar moustache. C'mon big boy, get down on yo' knee's and pop your head under ma wee tartan skirt. I'm "gagging" for a hot redneck blowjob.

(NOT!) :D

[Hemingray Insulators]

hey Mr. john, Could you explain to me what a recloser does? we were working with them recently, and i am a little confused :confused:

[dirtdobber]

you see jizz brain who the f**k is dancin now. looks like everyone here are the real lineman that you speak of we stiuck together and your punk ass retreated like the bitch you are.I believe that you went union because you could not make it with a contractor on your skill and they got tired of your head bein in there laps. looks like we are the ones that win after all you pathetic little turd like I said earlier the rats have got in your ass again but this time no strings to pull PUNK ASS LITTLE BITCH!!!!:D :p

[Stick-it]

hey Mr. john, Could you explain to me what a recloser does? we were working with them recently, and i am a little confused :confused:

Now that is unfair Hemi. Why would you ask him a question like that when you know he can't answer it?

[Hemingray Insulators]

Now that is unfair Hemi. Why would you ask him a question like that when you know he can't answer it?
That was the point lol. i know what a recloser does lol.

[Hemingray Insulators]

Brian,
read your PM and emails......

already did, why dont you read YOUR emails lol.:D

[LostArt]

You know, you really can't be gone from this site long...........or you will miss all the good juicy stuff.

You forgot Swamp................it's AMERICAN rats.

[Coyote]

That was well said JohnBellamy and your not alone

[BigClive]

One last gift for Jelly Belly since he's been so generous in sending rabid PM's to a few of us.

Bend over and chew on THIS. :D

[BigClive]

As I suspected... He IS still checking on his flame thread to see how it's doing.

He didn't like his little cornbrator gift. :D

[Dave@PSE&G]

I WILL DIE HAPPY AND FULFILLED...

Whatever man, just die already.

[dirtdobber]

damn thats funny. he says he will die happy and filled with clives cornbrator lol lol.:)

[johnbellamy]

**** thats funny. he says he will die happy and filled with clives cornbrator lol lol.:)

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[dirtdobber]

me dance for you I do not think so puke. the he man you proclaim to be is bullshit you not even man enough to stay out of this forum when you said so. what a pathetic little whiner you are. did ya check my profile little man come get some boy!!!!!!!!!!!!:eek:

[johnbellamy]

me dance for you I do not think so puke. the he man you proclaim to be is bull**** you not even man enough to stay out of this forum when you said so. what a pathetic little whiner you are. did ya check my profile little man come get some boy!!!!!!!!!!!!:eek:

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