Boo Hoo! Boo Hoo Hoo Boo Hoo Hoo Hoo

[PA BEN]

So are you saying your for McCain?:cool:

[loner]

yea,put mccain in the whitehouse,then the rest of the country can be just like arizona.mccain is pro illegal immigration(look it up on google)and why is he a war hero?held prisoner at the hanoi hilton?so every pow from nam is a war hero as well?maybe he should have jane fonda for his vp.gonna start using your own name again instead of bellamy?been so long since you posted thought maybe you finally choked on one.

[Squizzy]

Thats why Australia voted against becoming a republic as no one liked the way the presidential candidates were picked as the current method is better well sort of. I hate elections you list of people most of whom if not all you dislike and you know one of them is going to end up President/Prime Minister and what really sucks is when a candidate gets stuff all votes say 30% of the primary and wins the seat/election on a 2 party prefered vote because of the preferences. An old guy once told me "son how do you know when a politician is lying?....... His lips are moving".

[PA BEN]

yea,put mccain in the whitehouse,then the rest of the country can be just like arizona.mccain is pro illegal immigration(look it up on google)and why is he a war hero?held prisoner at the hanoi hilton?so every pow from nam is a war hero as well?maybe he should have jane fonda for his vp.gonna start using your own name again instead of bellamy?been so long since you posted thought maybe you finally choked on one.
You can talk all the smack and punk out McCain all you want, but don't talk shit about him being a war hero. He is a war hero. Ever wonder why he can't lift his shoulders at the shoulder joints. That's because the VC broke them and tied his arms out around a bamboo stick and left them there. And because he was an officer he could have left before others who were there longer, but he stayed to let a kid go home who was there longer then he.:mad:

[loner]

wow ben,did he get the medal of honor for that? that is what a war hero is to me .risking his life in battle to save a fallen man or men.again,why does that qualify him to be a war hero.

[mainline]

Guy, that is wrong about Mccain. I won't vote for him, but the guy served his country. He was one of the ones sold out by Fonda if I remember correctly. The guy did time in a shitty war we shouldn't have been in, but he served honorably. Give him his due. Politically I don't know how anyone who is union can vote for someone who is a self-proclaimed reaganite. Remember the airtraffic controllers union, and how Reagan fired all of them for striking. Reagan, and reaganites, pushed back the cause of organized labor 20 years.
Swamp, I'm with you most of the time with the crooked politician thing, but I actually like Obama. I've been reading his book and he actually makes a lot of sense. He's not as much of a lefty as he's painted as.

[loner]

mainline,glad to read what you think of reagen,i remember all to well the many lay offs when he was president(didnt our steel industry pretty much dry up).sick how the right wing talking heads worship the man .your right about mccain the soldier,i deeply apologize for my words.as for obama,the thinking is this,even if he wins the nomination he will not be the nominee because this is hillarys last shot,age and what not.would like to see him in the whitehouse,would really shake things up.

[Pootnaigle]

Hate to admit it but I agree with Samprat on this.Democrats had the opportunity of a lifetime to have a shoe in cantidate and they run Hillary and Obama.I would have voted for Edwards but Jus Kaint do it with either of these 2.
When this country was founded we had no Professional Politicians we had people who worked for a living and were in touch with the needs and wants of the people. Today we have profesional Politicians who have never dropped a bead of sweat in their life unless it was trying to avoid a scandal somewhere.They represent special interest groups not the people. They are the rich so they make damn sure to take care of that Class .George Bush is a prime example.His poor leadership has cost us and will continue to cost us long after he is gone.And not only Monetarily Our standing with the other nations of the world has sunk to a new low due to his antics.
Mcain is a fine man and the election will surley go his way But I dont know if he is the right man for the Job? Perhaps a 3rd Party is exactly what we need with a qualified cantidate thats not a war hero or a woman or a minority but just a wise man that wants to help out a country in trouble and then go back to the private sector and work at whatever he worked at before instead of making the speaking tours and lining his pockets

[Orgnizdlbr]

He's a
bad guy," Obama said, referring to Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein.? "The
world, and the Iraqi people, would be better off without him. But I also
know that Saddam poses no imminent and direct threat to the United States,
or to his neighbors, that the Iraqi economy is in shambles, that the Iraqi
military a fraction of its former strength, and that in concert with the
international community he can be contained until, in the way of all petty
dictators, he falls away into the dustbin of history." "I know that even a
successful war against Iraq will require a U.S. occupation of undetermined
length, at undetermined cost, with undetermined consequences," Obama
continued. "I know that an invasion of Iraq without a clear rationale and
without strong international support will only fan the flames of the Middle
East, and encourage the worst, rather than best, impulses of the Arab world,
and strengthen the recruitment arm of al-Qaeda."


Seems to me he's pretty close to the mark on his prediction, sure came alot closer to what has transpired than Cheney, Bush, and Rumsfeld.

[PA BEN]

He jumps in stirs a little s#!t and then.............?:eek:

[Orgnizdlbr]

"Hindsight" is 20/20, ain't it?:D

Hay. Vote for him.

Make Him Leader of the Free World.

Maby it will be "Good" for America, for somebody who's never done anything in politics, to be President of the United States, and control America.
Last time I remember that shit, it was Jimmy Carter....

I think you too, need to talk to Big Clive about "Universal health care", which he has a "Plan" for just like Billary....
Ask Clive "How's that workin for ya.":(

AND...Ya need to think on his "Policy".."?" on Imigation.

WTF? There ain't a goddamn Candidate out there, that is a Leader for America.

The next 4 years are gonna be, real fun to watch....no matter who's elected. None of them are worth a shit. It's gonna be "Fun" for America.

"CHANGE".
America's about to "Get some"....

If it was Hindsight, I'd agree, but the statement was made before he was a US Senator while he was still a state senator from illinios.

Universal Healthcare will never come to pass in this nation, too many who drink from the well of the Billions$$$, never gonna happen. I dont want it anyway....but I am in favor of a modified type of "Single Payer" system. That will never happen either, too many insurance companies would lose business, too many administration fees would be lost by TPA's....etc.

[PA BEN]

If it was Hindsight, I'd agree, but the statement was made before he was a US Senator while he was still a state senator from illinios.

Universal Healthcare will never come to pass in this nation, too many who drink from the well of the Billions$$$, never gonna happen. I dont want it anyway....but I am in favor of a modified type of "Single Payer" system. That will never happen either, too many insurance companies would lose business, too many administration fees would be lost by TPA's....etc.
If you get a Democrat President who wants Universal Health care and a Democrat congress with Pelosi and Reed in charge. It's a good bet it well happen.:eek:

[CHICAGO HAND.]

wake up America.


http://www.freemarketcure.com/brainsurgery.php

[CHICAGO HAND.]

Obama Is the Most Pro-Abortion Candidate Ever (Obama Believes in Infanticide.)
CNSNews ^ | January 09, 2008 | Terence P. Jeffrey


Posted on 02/14/2008 7:58:12 PM PST by Anti-Hillary


Barack Obama is the most pro-abortion presidential candidate ever.

He is so pro-abortion that he refused as an Illinois state senator to support legislation to protect babies who survived late-term abortions because he did not want to concede -- as he explained in a cold-blooded speech on the Illinois Senate floor -- that these babies, fully outside their mothers' wombs, with their hearts beating and lungs heaving, were in fact "persons."

"Persons," of course, are guaranteed equal protection of the law under the 14th Amendment.

In 2004, U.S. Senate-candidate Obama mischaracterized his opposition to this legislation. Now, as a presidential frontrunner, he should be held accountable for what he actually said and did about the Born Alive Infants Bill.

State and federal versions of this bill became an issue earlier this decade because of "induced labor abortion." This is usually performed on a baby with Down's Syndrome or another problem discovered on the cusp of viability. A doctor medicates the mother to cause premature labor. Babies surviving labor are left untreated to die.

Jill Stanek, who was a nurse at Christ Hospital in Oak Lawn, Ill., testified in the U.S. Congress in 2000 and 2001 about how "induced labor abortions" were handled at her hospital.

"One night," she said in testimony entered into the Congressional Record, "a nursing co-worker was taking an aborted Down's Syndrome baby who was born alive to our Soiled Utility Room because his parents did not want to hold him, and she did not have the time to hold him. I couldn't bear the thought of this suffering child lying alone in a Soiled Utility Room, so I cradled and rocked him for the 45 minutes that he lived."

In 2001, Illinois state Sen. Patrick O'Malley introduced three bills to help such babies. One required a second physician to be present at the abortion to determine if a surviving baby was viable. Another gave the parents or a public guardian the right to sue to protect the baby's rights. A third, almost identical to the federal Born Alive Infant Protection Act President Bush signed in 2002, simply said a "homo sapiens" wholly emerged from his mother with a "beating heart, pulsation of the umbilical cord or definite movement of voluntary muscles" should be treated as a "'person,' 'human being,' 'child' and 'individual.'"

Stanek testified about these bills in the Illinois Senate Judiciary Committee, where Obama served. She told me this week he was "unfazed" by her story of holding the baby who survived an induced labor abortion.

On the Illinois Senate floor, Obama was the only senator to speak against the baby-protecting bills. He voted "present" on each, effectively the same as a "no."

"Number one," said Obama, explaining his reluctance to protect born infants, "whenever we define a pre-viable fetus as a person that is protected by the Equal Protection Clause or the other elements in the Constitution, what we're really saying is, in fact, that they are persons that are entitled to the kinds of protections that would be provided to a -- a child, a 9-month old -- child that was delivered to term. That determination then, essentially, if it was accepted by a court, would forbid abortions to take place. I mean, it -- it would essentially bar abortions, because the Equal Protection Clause does not allow somebody to kill a child, and if this is a child, then this would be an anti-abortion statute."

That June, the U.S. Senate voted 98-0 in favor of the Born Alive Infants Protection Act (although it failed to become law that year). Pro-abortion Democrats supported it because this language was added: "Nothing in this section shall be construed to affirm, deny, expand or contract any legal status or legal right applicable to any member of the species homo sapiens at any point prior to being born alive as defined in this section."

Democratic Sen. Barbara Boxer explained that with this language the "amendment certainly does not attack Roe v. Wade."

On July 18, 2002, Democratic Sen. Harry Reid called for the bill to be approved by unanimous consent. It was.

That same year, the Illinois version of the bill came up again. Obama voted "no."

In 2003, Democrats took control of the Illinois Senate. Obama became chairman of the Health and Human Services committee. The Born Alive Infant bill, now sponsored by Sen. Richard Winkel, was referred to this committee. Winkel also sponsored an amendment to make the Illinois bill identical to the federal law, adding -- word for word -- the language Barbara Boxer said protected Roe v. Wade. Obama still held the bill hostage in his committee, never calling a vote so it could be sent to the full senate.

A year later, when Republican U.S. senate candidate Alan Keyes challenged Obama in a debate for his opposition to the Born Alive Infant Bill, Obama said: "At the federal level there was a similar bill that passed because it had an amendment saying this does not encroach on Roe v. Wade. I would have voted for that bill."

In fact, Obama had personally killed exactly that bill.

[CHICAGO HAND.]

Sorry swamp but regardless, I could never support a man who would walk by a mother dumping her baby in the dumpster and not try to stop it just because she is a free American.
With that argument then so is the baby who is defensless and is in need of more protection than her.
Freedom comes with a price and a responsibility.

I agree that if you want to do something that harms only yourself like drinking yourself to death in your easy chair than so be it but the minute you get behind the wheel is why we have the cops who work for the public.
If i wanted to get drunk and start plowing into everyone just because I am a free American argument is not working.
Here is the argument on guns, if you want a tank out at the farm fully loaded with all the goodies so be it God bless ya but the minute you decide to start shooting up the town because you are a free American you have crossed the line.
Now if you want to move to Afganistan and drive your tank around with all the other boys in the same club and shoot at each other, well have at it.
I am not into having government tell me what to do either, it is just when we stop protecting the innocent that I have a problem with.

[Orgnizdlbr]

I believe that abortion is wrong. Basic principle thats all.

But what I find to be quite the dichotomy are those, mostly Right wing Republicans who are anti abortion, they attend all the rallys and rail against a woman's right to choice. They fight for the right of the unborn, an honorable position when you analyze it. But the dichotomy is that once the child is born, these same pro-life people are diametrically opposed to any assistance for the child or the parent/parents if the parents do not have the ability to raise the child without assistance. Phony bastids.......

[PA BEN]

A Japanese doctor says, "Medicine in my country is so
advanced that we can take a kidney out of one man,
put it in another, and have him out looking for work
in six
weeks".

A German doctor says, "That is nothing. We can take a
lung out of one person, put it in another, and have
him out looking for work in four weeks".

A British doctor says, "In my country medicine is so
advanced that we can take half a heart out of one
person, put it in another, and have both of out
looking for work in two weeks".

The American doctor interjected, "You guys are way
behind. We are about to take a woman with no brains,
put her in the White House, and half the country will
be out looking for work".

[CHICAGO HAND.]

If a man will try to disarm me and my family why should I trust him to be presedent?

America will never wake up we will be trampled over and left for dead.
My union leadership tells me I should put the issue of abortion and gun rights aside and vote my paycheck.
Are they out of there freaking mind.
Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
This shooting that took place at this college this week is at the next exit on the tollway from my town. WAKE UP AMERICA.



http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1971710/posts

[Stinger]

First off, abortion is not for political debate or ours. That choice and decision alone rest with the person who has to make that choice. The issue has no place in politics. I think it is time for a third party president. A president who will govern by the constitution. A president who will abolish the Tax code as we know it and re-write so taxes fund only the military, the protection of boarders, the protection of our dollar, the infrastructure. Recreate a congress that sits in session for three months and for a minmal fee to cover expsenses. The middle east hates our ass. Suadia Arabia is the real enemy followed by Pakistan( where osama bin laden is hidding under their protection). Lets take care of our own country first and screw the rest of the world. Seems to be working for China. Let someone else be the big bad boy of the world. Keep the military strong and equiped in case someone wants to bully us. Then we cram an ICBM down their ass and pull the fuse. We should chang election day to April 16, a day after everyone pays thier taxes so our memory is still fresh from writing out the check for the money that is stolen from us by the politicians. Bottom line is I think most people are fed up with the status quo. I really beleive we all want what is right for all us who live in this counrty legally. We want safe boarders, a good economy, jobs, homes and good communities where we can bring up our families, good health care.( govt controled insurance is not the solution) decent wages and benifiets. I do not know if any of the candidates in the run right now can do that. I know I'll be watching and listening so i can make a good decision for my family and the country.

[Koga]

I agree Steve !!!

[CHICAGO HAND.]

That choice and decision alone rest with the person who has to make that choice.

So if someone wants to walk into a classroom and start shooting that person should not be stopped ? Because it is the choice that they have to live with ? Where is the choice for the innocent ? who speaks for them ?
Please explain what the difference is ?
In my book killing your own kid or a strangers kid is the same.

[PA BEN]

If you get a Democrat President who wants Universal Health care and a Democrat congress with Pelosi and Reed in charge. It's a good bet it well happen.:eek:



President Bush:


When we lowered the taxes for families with children, she voted against it. And when we put the death tax on the road to extinction, she voted against it. …

And yet, Nancy Pelosi said of the Republicans and Bush:


They’ll take food out of the mouths of children in order to give tax cuts to the wealthiest.

And, yet, there are blogs out there who are repeating these words as if they were truth. I don’t know which came first – the email hoax or the blog misinformation. An example would be at the My Opine blog. Notice that the blog doesn’t have one link to follow up his claim of what exactly Pelosi said.

As far as Pelosi’s voting record:


Voted NO on retaining reduced taxes on capital gains & dividends.

Voted NO on providing tax relief and simplification as prescribed by the Working Families Tax Relief Act of 2004.

Voted NO on making permanent an increase in the child tax credit.

Voted NO on making the Bush tax relief permanent that are to expire in 2010.

Voted NO on $99 economic stimulus: capital gains & income tax cuts in 2002.

Voted NO on eliminating the Estate Tax (“death tax”) – so, Bush was right to make that comment above.

Voted NO on $46 billion in tax cuts for small business – 2000.

Nancy Pelosi says and does real things that is detrimental to America and its people – no one need to make up stories such as the one above because the truth is damning as it is. :eek:

[PA BEN]

7:00 P.M. Opening flag burning.

7:15 P.M. Pledge of allegiance to U.N.

7:30 P.M. Ted Kennedy proposes a toast

7:35 P.M. Non-religious prayer and worship. Jessie Jackson and Al Sharpton.

8:00 P.M. Ted Kennedy proposes a toast.

8:05 P.M. Ceremonial tree hugging.

8:15 P.M. Gay Wedding - Barney Frank presiding.

8:30 P.M. Ted Kennedy proposes a toast.

8:35 P.M. ‘Leave Osama Alone’ rally. Cindy Sheehan and Susan Sarandon.
9:00 P.M. Keynote speech. The proper etiquette for surrender. - French President Jacques Chirac.

9:15 P.M. Ted Kennedy proposes a toast.

9:20 P.M. Collection to benefit the Osama Bin Laden kidney transplant fund.

9:30 P.M. Unveiling of plan to free freedom fighters from Guantanamo by Sean Penn.

9:40 P.M. “Why I hate the Military,” a short talk by William Jefferson Clinton.

9:45 P.M. Ted Kennedy proposes a toast.

9:50 P.M. Dan Rather presented “Truth in Broadcasting Award,” presented by Michael Moore.
9:55 P.M. Ted Kennedy proposes a toast.
10:00 P.M. How George Bush brought down the World Trade Center Towers - Howard Dean.

10:30 P.M. Nomination of Hillary Rodham Clinton by Mahmud Ahmadinejad.

11:00 P.M. Ted Kennedy proposes a toast.

11:05 P.M. Al Gore reinvents The Internet.

11:15 P.M. Our Troops are War criminals - John Kerry.

11:30 P.M. Coronation Of Mrs. Hillary Rodham Clinton.

12:00 A.M. Ted Kennedy proposes a toast.

12:05 A.M. Bill asks Ted to drive Hillary home.:eek:

[CHICAGO HAND.]

Looks like you are in kansas batts you wouldnt be shacking up with that baptist church who likes to go and protest at funerals for our dead soldiers?
they were just in town protesting one of the funerals for one of the kids shot at the college down the road last week.
ya you would fit right in there.

[duckhunter]

I get a kick out of the supposed "Pro-Choice" folks that don't think life is one of the choices.

[Stick-it]

It's the person who is doing it that has to live with the choice and the ramifications of it.

Not yours, my or anybody elses, to make laws or decisions to the contrary."

http://ww3.powerlineman.com/lforum/images/misc/progress.gif

MURDER should be illegal

[CHICAGO HAND.]

looks like you froze your brain on the last run and oh by the way nice language.
you really impress me and please tell me more about how tough you are.

[wtdoor67]

7:00 P.M. Opening flag burning.

7:15 P.M. Pledge of allegiance to U.N.

7:30 P.M. Ted Kennedy proposes a toast

7:35 P.M. Non-religious prayer and worship. Jessie Jackson and Al Sharpton.

8:00 P.M. Ted Kennedy proposes a toast.

8:05 P.M. Ceremonial tree hugging.

8:15 P.M. Gay Wedding - Barney Frank presiding.

8:30 P.M. Ted Kennedy proposes a toast.

8:35 P.M. ‘Leave Osama Alone’ rally. Cindy Sheehan and Susan Sarandon.
9:00 P.M. Keynote speech. The proper etiquette for surrender. - French President Jacques Chirac.

9:15 P.M. Ted Kennedy proposes a toast.

9:20 P.M. Collection to benefit the Osama Bin Laden kidney transplant fund.

9:30 P.M. Unveiling of plan to free freedom fighters from Guantanamo by Sean Penn.

9:40 P.M. “Why I hate the Military,” a short talk by William Jefferson Clinton.

9:45 P.M. Ted Kennedy proposes a toast.

9:50 P.M. Dan Rather presented “Truth in Broadcasting Award,” presented by Michael Moore.
9:55 P.M. Ted Kennedy proposes a toast.
10:00 P.M. How George Bush brought down the World Trade Center Towers - Howard Dean.

10:30 P.M. Nomination of Hillary Rodham Clinton by Mahmud Ahmadinejad.

11:00 P.M. Ted Kennedy proposes a toast.

11:05 P.M. Al Gore reinvents The Internet.

11:15 P.M. Our Troops are War criminals - John Kerry.

11:30 P.M. Coronation Of Mrs. Hillary Rodham Clinton.

12:00 A.M. Ted Kennedy proposes a toast.

12:05 A.M. Bill asks Ted to drive Hillary home.:eek:


George W. Bush Presidential Library Plans.

1. The Hurricane Katrina Room, which is still under construction.

2. The Alberto Gonzales Room, where you can't remember anything.

3. The Texas Air National Guard Room, where you don't even have to show up.

4. The Walter Reed Hospital Room, where they don't let you in.

5. The Guananamo Bay Room, where they don't let you out.

6. The Weapons of Mass Destruction Room ,which no one has been able to find.

7. The Iraq War Room. After you complete your first tour, they make you go back for a second, third, fourth, and sometimes fifth tour.

8. The Dick Cheney Room, in the famous undisclosed location, complete with shooting gallery.

9. The K-Street Project Gift Shop, where you can buy or just steal an election.

10. The Airport Men's Room, where you can meet some of your favorite Republicans.

11. Last, but not least, there will be an entire floor devoted to a 7/8th scale model of the President's ego. To high light his accompolishments, the museum will have an electrom microscope to help you locate them.

[Stick-it]

Try this. http://www.realchange.org/bushjr.htm

[Dave@PSE&G]

Try this. http://www.realchange.org/bushjr.htm

C'mon, Stick. We all know W's stat sheet. Find a politician without skeletons in the closet, then you have something worth reading. Otherwise, it's the same 'ol shit.

[returntotheeve]

Isn't it spelled LIBERTARIAN? Every time I read it on this thread I think he means to vote for a librarian. None of the candidates are seen as great leaders but why would they? Our collective hobby is bashing and causing dissent. If we took time to listen to the other side and stop trying to slit each others throats the country would be better off. Seriously though how can you listen to a guy who's believed what's been served up by this admin? How deep in debt are we now? But its the Dems fault right? By the way, its a loser mentality to say something like "I hope the Dems win. They'll have a real go at fixing this mess." Rush said this with Bush 1 when Clinton had the election wrapped up and now that the Repubs are so far behind he's playing this song again. Never admit you're wrong, just like in Iraq. If you want to vote independent its Ron Paul or maybe Ralph Nader? Perot? Anderson? I'm registered independent by the way. I don't get that some people are proud to have voted for Bush, twice!

[returntotheeve]

Hey your arms got blown off and we'll drop the ball on helping you. Get over it. We've redirected our efforts from finding those responsible to fight in a hundred year war. Get over it. We're pumping Billions we've borrowed from our future generations to fund this mess. Get over it. The Euro is at $1.50. Get over it. No defense contractor left behind. Get over it. Banking loans run amok, Get over it. The good name of this great nation tarnished by power grabbing short sighted war mongering "Fight with whatcha got" hypocrites. Get over it. We're losing our influence as a world leader. I'll just hafta Get over it. "Hey Dad, Remember when we were the world leaders?" "Get over it son."

[returntotheeve]

Does GOP now mean Get Over it Party? You could vote Librarian.

[loner]

lets get one thing straight,no politician "loves" this country.what they love is the ability to become very wealthy and become part of an elite society,ala ted kennedy(never worked a real job in his life),walked away from murder, etc. bill clinton, gave nuclear secrets to china,sexually assualted women,no charges.if you think they love this country then why are they always apologizing to the world for this countries behavior?if they love this country then why do they consult the president of mexico about ilegal immigrants? wake up,politicians love themselves and their power,thats it.

[returntotheeve]

If Bloomberg is your man then write 'em in. I think this country does need a viable third or fourth party. We need to show the career politicians that we need more choices than only left or only right. If everyone who is as dissatisfied as you wrote in who they wanted maybe someone would listen. I am socially left fiscally right, pro choice, pro NRA, pro peace, pro conservation, secure border leaning. Who speaks for me in Washington? By the way, one of the things I like about the Libertarian Party is that if you run under their platform you are bound to follow their ideology, which essentially is uphold the constitution. There is no interpretation of it. To be Libertarian is to follow that rule. Ron Paul anyone?