running angels

[RU18]

small wire distro. bird framed you can put the center phase on the arm in a shiv or on a eye nut on the innside. on the glass standed the wire. is there any other way to string it. the moving it after sag is what is getting me??it's changing the sag too much

[Koga]

maybe your not getting the sag even between all the spans the whole length of the pull. Its hard to say with out some more info or actually being there.


Koga

[Orgnizdlbr]

Not sure I get what you're saying. If you're running it in rollers, and pulling it to sag, how does the sag change when you move it?

[Stick-it]

Are you mounting your rollers in the same place on every pole? If you don't this could mess with your sag.

[Pootnaigle]

I always sagged the middle Phase first and then brought the 2 outside phases up until it slacked a tiny bit. If you aint careful your deadend arm could come around throwin your sag way off.

[TRAMPLINEMAN]

I always sagged the middle Phase first and then brought the 2 outside phases up until it slacked a tiny bit. If you aint careful your deadend arm could come around throwin your sag way off.

Ditto.....

[wtdoor67]

talking about is on angles that when you get it sagged and then tie it in you have to move the phases onto the insulators. It's not only the middle phase but all three are affected by this. You're either slacking it up or tightening it up when you move it to the insulator, depending which way the angle is and however you've got the dollies.

If there's only one angle in the line then try and position the dollies where you are the same distance away from the pin position with each phase and then tie that pole in first. If there's several angles I've even seen folks climb each angle and move the wire to the permanent position before making final sag.

Really this is only for people who are real persnicky about sag. On small wire especially we used to just try and guess at it. If moving it from the dolly to the pin is gonna tighten it, then make that phase a little loose and tie it in first.

If the wire isn't strung in under tension we used to loose tie it in it's permanent position and small wire will slide around the insulator making it simple to sag.

[RU18]

67 you are on the right track. line is in the woods more than one angel(that should be DE) and the C phase is 40inch above the arm and we are putting the shiv on the inside on one arm and the out side on the next. What i am looking for is if someone knows of some thing i have never seen??? like i've seen a hot base for sivs but you can not put an angel on it and it cold not take the strain? but I would think that there is some sort of post type shiv out there or mybe it's my millon $ invention??????

[Orgnizdlbr]

Oh, I see, angle not angels....had my thrown for a while. SR blocks w/ arm angle bases mounted as close to the pin position as possible. Loose tie the angles before you pull to final sag. After sagged in, finish ties on angle poles.

[RU18]

so i cant spell lets get past that. a serman riley is what i am refering to as a shive and the arm is 40some inches below the center phase and even if you tie it to the pole as close as you can you are still moving it a foot plus after sag. spell chek that

[Patriot]

By our spec, and yours to, the arm should be a 10 footer and it is 32" down.

Sully should know that! No more 8 footers for raptor spec in our books,.

[Patriot]

Don't you have the shieves that clamp onto the top of the glass? Tip them a little. We use them on the angles. They work pretty good. Sag comes out fine.

[RU18]

42 i think is the sec and we dont use 10foot arm. and as far as sully?????

[RU18]

1/0 acsr and i'm glad you know him

[Orgnizdlbr]

so i cant spell lets get past that. a serman riley is what i am refering to as a shive and the arm is 40some inches below the center phase and even if you tie it to the pole as close as you can you are still moving it a foot plus after sag. spell chek that

First off, I wasnt bustin your balls about the spelling, I had no Idea what ya meant. The arm is 40 inches below the phase position, so what, put the roller as close to the center phase in the same position on every pole. Loose tie and final. Not rocket science, done thousands of times........spell check that.

[wtdoor67]

67 you are on the right track. line is in the woods more than one angel(that should be DE) and the C phase is 40inch above the arm and we are putting the shiv on the inside on one arm and the out side on the next. What i am looking for is if someone knows of some thing i have never seen??? like i've seen a hot base for sivs but you can not put an angel on it and it cold not take the strain? but I would think that there is some sort of post type shiv out there or mybe it's my millon $ invention??????

Maybe you should use spell check. Your posts are kinda hard to decipher. An angel is a far different thing than an angle. I believe sheave is probably what you are referring to as a shiv. (That's an easy one to figure out). Some types of hot dollies that mount on the insulators are configured so you can lean them into angles. If you are referring to C phase as the middle phase then the middle is always called B phase. Sounds like you guys are stringing the wire and cutting the dead ends in as you tie it in. I don't know. One thing is don't drink beer or whiskey while you are posting.

[Patriot]

Maybe you should use spell check. Your posts are kinda hard to decipher. An angel is a far different thing than an angle. I believe sheave is probably what you are referring to as a shiv. (That's an easy one to figure out). . If you are referring to C phase as the middle phase then the middle is always called B phase. Sounds like you guys are stringing the wire and cutting the dead ends in as you tie it in. I don't know. One thing is don't drink beer or whiskey while you are posting.

C for center I think is what he means.

Different Sully , 1Sully! His boss is called Sully. And our company raptor spec. is a 10 foot arm.

[suddsy]

as I understand your problem is that you are worried about moving center phase further than the outside phases. thus screwing up your sag. There are insulator clamps that attach directly to the top of your insulators. so atfer sagged all you have to do is lift the conductor remove your traveler and tie it in. using these makes sure all of your conductor moves the same direction, and the same distance.

[topgroove]

I've used the sherman rileys' that mount on the insulators and I've bent a few pins on some angles... I like to use the base that mounts right on top of the crossarm. the bolts that hold the base wrap around the crossarm and you angle the sheave 45 degees in the direction you want. mount it as close to the insulator as you can and you won't loose much sag after you tie it in.

[RU18]

thanks 67 i did not know the insulato base could be put at a ANGLE(angel looked good to me) having never used one before. Thanks i'll check it out. Orgnizdibr i dint mean to sound pissey but if you saw what a fireball i am on the keyboard you would see why i shorten every thing i can(shiv insted of travler--c insted of center. and dont ask why but spell check dont seem to be working on the girlfriends laptop??? Thanks for the help

[Electriceel]

Distribution angles we use the Sherman rollers mounted with the rubber insulator clamp, put them on the angle. We have not had any trouble bending or breaking anything even up to 4/0 conductor. We do use an angle bracket and a post insulator for the angles.
Always start somewhere towards the middle angle structure and work towards the ends, then go back and tie in all in-line structures.

[RU18]

cool i got to dig up one of those insulator bases solve all my problems

[Orgnizdlbr]

No problem RU, we use the SR arm bracket mounts on angles/corners. We've bent pins using the hot tops.. If you loosley set your corners in ties after your initial sag to get them close, pull through the ties to get final sag and go back to tighten the corner ties as you clip in. We generally dont pull anything smaller than 397.5 anymore, thats why I like the arm brackets on corners.

[Moe]

Make sure to tie in your angle stuctures first.

[1st Class Husker]

[QUOTE=RU18;40688]so i cant spell lets get past that. a serman riley is what i am refering to as a shive and the arm is 40some inches below the center phase and even if you tie it to the pole as close as you can you are still moving it a foot plus after sag. spell chek that[/QUOTE

If I understand you correctly, you are using shives or rollers on your poles!

pull your wire up, to where its close to sag!, catch off with hoists, find level spot to sag, take wire out of rollers and put on arm (all 3 phases) on both poles,the one your on and the one your sagging against, then do your thing timing, transit, whatever! start with B phase and bring a & c up to b, sag will be beautiful!