Freedom and Liberty

[Stick-it]

George W. Bush

[1sully]

Screw the poor little Kanuck Rag Head.

I admit it that we are an al-Qaida family. We had connections to al-Qaida,” said Abdurahman Khadr, who says he resisted his father’s urgings to become a suicide bomber.
But another son, 22-year-old Abdullah Khadr, backed the idea of martyrdom for Islam.
“Every Muslim dreams of being a shahid (martyr) for Islam,” he said. “Everybody dreams of this, even a Christian would like to die for their religion.”
Before you cry buckets over the poor, abused tots at Gitmo, let’s make one thing clear: We are not talking about hordes of peace-loving, cherubic grade-schoolers (like the kind who were freed from Saddam’s prisons by American troops). We are talking about four male juveniles captured as active enemy combatants against U.S. forces – and suspected of having links to the al-Qaida terrorist network of Afghanistan’s ousted Taliban regime.
These “children” weren’t playing Nintendo or lolling around in a sandbox when they were taken into custody. They were at war, armed and dangerous, carrying out jihad.
One of the youths reportedly in custody at Gitmo is 16-year-old Omar Khadr, who, as noted, is a suspected al-Qaida soldier accused of lobbing the hand grenade that killed Sergeant First Class Christopher Speer, a 28-year-old medic with the U.S. Special Forces. At least one eyewitness said Khadr was not a confused little boy. He knew exactly what he was doing: trying to kill Americans
“That wasn’t a panicky teen-ager we encountered that day,” Sergeant First Class Layne Morris of South Jordan, Utah, who lost his right eye in the ambush, told the Boston Globe. “That was a trained al-Qaida who wanted to make his last act on earth the killing of an American.”
Speer left behind a wife and two children, ages 3 and 11 months. Just days before his murder, Speer had selflessly walked into a minefield to rescue two wounded Afghan children.
According to U.S. law professor Muneer Ahmad, who had visited Khadr in November and co-authored a subsequent affidavit, the physical and mental abuse of Omar Khadr is “horrific”, “immoral” and “illegal”
“We have evidence that one of Canada’s children has been tortured by the United States, Ahmad said.
With his mother weeping in the background and Edney demanding that the federal government fight more vigorously to protect Khadr’s human rights, a fusillade of questions about the Khadr family’s checkered past all but dominated the news conference.
Khadr may be “one of Canada’s children” to Muneer Ahmad. To many Canadians, he’s the scion of a family, three members of who camped out at Osama bin Laden’s terror training camps in Afghanistan.
Ahmed Said Khadr, the family patriarch–once set free from Pakistan by the intercession of Prime Minister Jean Chretien–was a well-known al Qaeda financier who raised four Toronto-born sons in the world of radical Islam.
It was in bin Laden’s terror training camp that Omar Khadr was captured in July, 2002 after allegedly tossing a grenade that killed a U.S. Army medic.
Khadr’s outspoken mother and sister cried no tears for the fallen army medic.
Following Khadr’s capture, his sister said the death of Sgt. 1st Class Christopher J. Speer was no “big deal”. His mother, who said she would rather see her sons at al-Qaeda training camps than “be on drugs or having some homosexual relation” in Canada, insulted some Canadians.
Yesterday, Mrs. Khadr let her lawyer do the talking by reading a statement that asked “every Canadian mother and father to help me get justice for my son and bring him home.”
Reporters wanted to know why Canadians should care about her son’s plight in consideration of her family’s open disdain for the West and their close ties to terrorism.
Edney responded with an admission that there is no doubt that there is a lack of sympathy toward the Khadr family, but chided inquiring reporters with, “It’s the principle you’re fighting for”.
“We need to be very clear,” Ahmad, added. “The U.S. did not torture the Khadr family. They took the body of a boy and subjected it to horrific conditions. So how can we forget about that because of a history that the Khadr family has in the public conscience of Canada?”
With evidence that has yet to be proven, Ahmad did not use the word “alleged” when he spoke about the U.S. subjecting Khadr’s body to “horrific” conditions.
Dan McTeague, parliamentary secretary to the Minister of Foreign Affairs, has conceded that Ottawa is still concerned that Khadr has been imprisoned for almost three years without being charged with a crime.
Sgt. 1st Class (ret.) Layne Morris, who was injured in the firefight that ended with Khadr’s capture, is skeptical about Khadr’s allegations of torture.

“The best defence is a good offence,” he said, referring to al-Qaeda training manuals that urge members to allege abuse if they are arrested. “He might be youthful-looking, but he is certainly not youthful-acting. You don’t get to Afghanistan in a firefight with U.S. forces on a whim.”

Spare your tears for Omar Khadr. Save them for Sgt. First Class Christopher Speer, his widow, and his young and fatherless daughters.

[CHICAGO HAND.]

We will be sending all known human bombs north of the border for you to take a look at and see your reaction.

[duckhunter]

So I guess he's innocent? He was there where a firefight took place. Wrong place wrong time? Innocent, just a 15 year old innocent boy.

It could be, but we are at war. Just like Canada, we have different laws for a war situation than for a drug bust in Toronto.

[Meat]

If you think your govt. isn't involved in this type of thing you are misinformed.They have soldiers in Afghanistan that have and would smoke any immediate threat no matter age or gender.Don't be a clown with your posts,please, your embarassing us union lineman.Meat.IBEW and proud of it!

[duckhunter]

I want to treat him like a POW, I do not consider putting underwear on someone head torture. I do not consider scarring the hell out of someone with dogs torture. I do not know how I feel about waterboarding. I consider beheading torture. I consider removing body parts torture. Has Canada been lily white in all they have done in military actions in the past? I would guess that they way they are feared by soldiers from other countries that they are not.

I think we all get it, you hate America. I think we all get it. I love your country and most of the folks I've met there. I think my country is a better place to live and won't be moving north permanently.

[Meat]

Maybe Swamp read between the lines of my post because union hand that rarely if ever ads to the safety discussion of our trade or whatever says loads about you.Maybe I wasn't clear in my first sentence about your govt. involved in intel. gathering by any means necessary.In cooperation with our govt.Don't believe it do you.Give your head a shake my friend and go volunteer your time somewhere.You seem to have some pent up agression that could be useful.Your union brother,Meat!

[Meat]

You're not worthy to know about my military service to the USA.I'm done with you brother.Good luck, Meat!

[loodvig]

On a Canadian two-dollar bill, the American flag is flying over the Parliament Building.

[RWD]

I for one am glad we have a place on foreign soil to put these guys. If they were here and going thru our system of justice some liberal judge would throw the cases out on a techincal issue and make them US citizens to free them from the oppression of their peers. "All they need is a little love" sort of thing.

I also believe that for the most part, those who are there deserve to be there. you little Canadian pup for example. If he did shoot and toss the grenade ... He deserves to be there.

A military trial is not a bad thing. It is designed to find out the truth it's not a show. If a person gets to a trial in the service it's because there is a level of evidence that is higher than in a civilian court. Most minor infractions are taken care of in other ways. A minor infraction or lower level of evidence would be passed onto a civilian court in the county of action. These folks, for the most part, were directly involve with killing Operational forces and or directly supporting those who were. If they were not they would have been rotated back to the country of action. We (Ok the US Military, Would not take a person to trial without overwhelming evidence as our open press would crucify the court and the administration if the evidence was not real or was half assed.

RWD

[wtdoor67]

Bush insists on attacking Russia by going through Mississippi. Someone said. "Why would you do that Mr. President." He replied. "Well Hell, they have attacked Georgia, haven't they?"

Someone said. "Why not attack Moscow?" Bush replied. "You big dummy, that's in Idaho." "I know some Geography."

We are pretty much in a bind it looks like. To tied up in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Leave it for Barrack or McCain to deal with.

[loner]

or bush could do like clinton ,get his cock sucked instead of dealing with the problem.still no draft you dumb phuck

[1sully]

The poor little 15 year old raghead, he was over there for one reason, to kill anyone that didn’t have the same beliefs as him. I wonder how many of his fellow Canadian military men he killed? But his radical family lives in the great free and strong north, the amnesty country.

Omar Khadr. Born into a fundamentalist Muslim family in Toronto, he had been prepared for jihad since he was a small boy. His parents, who were Egyptian and Palestinian, had raised him to believe that religious martyrdom was the highest achievement he could aspire to. In the Khadr family, suicide bombers were spoken of with great respect. According to U.S intelligence, Omar's father used charities as front groups to raise and launder money for Al Qaeda. Omar's formal military training -- bomb making, assault-rifle marksmanship, combat tactics -- before he turned twelve. For nearly a year before the Ab Khail siege, according to the U.S. government, Omar and his father and brothers had fought with the Taliban against American and Northern Alliance forces in Afghanistan. Before that, they had been living in Jalalabad, with Osama bin Laden. Omar spent much of his adolescence in Al Qaeda compounds.
At Ab Khail, a sergeant later said, every U.S. soldier who walked by Omar longed to put a bullet in his head. But an American medic, working near the corpse of Sgt. Speer, saved Omar's life.