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power-history
10-11-2008, 07:06 PM
This ad from 1957 shows an assortment of streetlighting auxiliary equipment, and an installation of fluorescent streetlights. Fluorescents were quite popular in that era, but apparently they were soon overtaken by mercury vapor. I've read, though, that they're being tried again in a few places.
http://long-lines.net/other/electrical/ElectricalWorld-1957-04-08/091.html
BigClive
10-11-2008, 08:41 PM
There's a street nearby that uses fluorescent streetlighting. It uses the modern U-tube style of lamp.
power-history
10-12-2008, 09:17 AM
Yes, I think that's the type being used in most of the recent installations. The resurgence in fluorescents seems to be strongest outside the U.S.
The original fluorescent streetlights used long straight tubes in larger fixtures. Here's an ad for Holan lifts showing installation of a giant luminaire in Indianapolis, Indiana:
http://long-lines.net/other/electrical/ElectricalWorld-1957-01-21/115.html
I think these fixtures were largest ever made. Some of the big fluorescents even had cooling fans!
General Electric made a line of fluorescent tubes having grooves or indentations all around, to increase the light-emitting area for a given size of tube. I think the brand name was "Power-Groove" or something like that.
Here's another GE ad showing an urban installation of fluorescents:
http://long-lines.net/other/electrical/ElectricalWorld-1957-05-13/105.html
And here's one from Pfaff and Kendall:
http://long-lines.net/other/electrical/ElectricalWorld-1957-05-20/054.html
BigClive
10-12-2008, 12:39 PM
And here's the domestic version which apparently offered seven hours of warm bright light for only a penny. (More like 4 pence now assuming good power factor and a 36W tube.)
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=fuRC-nqO1Bo
A very "vintage" television advert.
power-history
10-12-2008, 01:04 PM
Thanks, that's a great ad! It's interesting for a couple of reasons: first, because the fixture is surprisingly modern looking, with the exposed, "floating" tube and asymmetrical mounting. And second, because I didn't realize that the Mazda brand name was still in use that late.
I'll add the link to my site.
I worked several of the old 6.6 amp street light systems out west. Sometimes retiring them and sometimes fixing them. They were series wired and had a little fuse that would allow current to flow past if the bulb went bad. Easy concept after someone explains it to you but the idea of variable voltage fixed amps could be a killer to a newbe. These systems could have anywhere from 2400V to 50V but maintained a constant current of 6.6 amps. Many of the runway lighting systems I worked on had the same system. I don't know what runway lighting uses now. I'm sure they have moved on from the old system by now.
RWD
power-history
10-23-2008, 11:34 PM
Series streetlights are a really interesting technology - the whole idea of constant current and varying voltage is "backward" from the the parallel circuits that are more common in electrical work.
The heart of the system was a constant-current transformer. It had one winding that was physically moveable - it could slide up and down along the core and was attached by cable and pulley to a counterweight. As the load on the transformer fluctuated, the magnetic force would push or pull the movable winding until the force was balanced by the counterweight, thereby adjusting the voltage to keep the current at a constant 6.6 amps. There was a pole-mounted version (see http://long-lines.net/other/electrical/ElectricalWorld-1957-04-08/091.html) and also a larger "substation" type.
The fuse devices that you mentioned were called "cutouts" - I think the slang term was "pills" because of their appearance. They were actually the opposite of fuses or cutouts as we usually think of them. They were installed in parallel with each lamp socket, and as you said, their purpose was to short out the socket when the lamp burned out, to keep the circuit operating.
A cutout was an aluminum disk coated with a thin film of aluminum oxide, which is an insulator. When the lamp was operating, the voltage drop across the cutout was small and the cutout had no effect. But when the filament opened up, the entire circuit voltage was across the cutout, and this punctured the oxide film so that the current flowed through the aluminum disk and bypassed the socket.
Stinger
10-25-2008, 10:38 AM
We did a reconductor job about 4 years ago in Winchester Mass, We took down an old arc street light transformer. I do not know what they did with it, but hind sight being 20/20 I should have taken a pitcure of it to hang in our hall by the display case of old line tools and equipment. I am 61 and I know that transformer was older than me. There are still some small towns here in New England that still have the old incadesent light bulbs with old flat round reflector painted white on the underside.
BigClive
10-25-2008, 12:37 PM
Hmm, history repeats. Modern LED lighting systems tend to operate on a constant current system too, with up to about 10 LEDs in series on an electronic current regulated DC supply.
The little shorting devices that kept the other lights in the older series string arrangement are still in use. Take a look at a series string of traditional Christmas lights and you'll see that just below the filament and right up against the glass bead is a little loop of wire. There's a coating on the wire that insulates it from the filament leads until the lamp fails and the voltage rises to the full mains level across that open circuit until the insulation on the little wire breaks down and it shunts out the lamp.
power-history
10-31-2008, 01:10 AM
That's interesting info! I've played with LEDs a little - just enough to see how differently they behave versus incandescent lamps as the voltage/current is varied.
Are LED Christmas lights becoming popular in Scotland? They seemed to really take off in popularity in the US last year. I like the pure, saturated colors and the way the blues and greens are as bright as the reds and yellows, unlike with incandescents. And of course the energy savings are pretty substantial. The only thing I miss is the warm color of the clear incandescents; the white LED is really a bluish-white. And it remains to be seen how durable the LED sets will be - especially the consumer versions. I've heard some unfavorable reports in that regard.
BigClive
10-31-2008, 06:16 PM
Are LED Christmas lights becoming popular in Scotland? They seemed to really take off in popularity in the US last year. I like the pure, saturated colors and the way the blues and greens are as bright as the reds and yellows, unlike with incandescents. And of course the energy savings are pretty substantial. The only thing I miss is the warm color of the clear incandescents; the white LED is really a bluish-white. And it remains to be seen how durable the LED sets will be - especially the consumer versions. I've heard some unfavorable reports in that regard.
LED Christmas lights took off here in Scotland a few years ago, and now it's hard to buy any that aren't. The first ones were very unreliable due to the poor quality manufacturing of the Chinese LEDs. In particular, the newer green, blue and white LEDs are prone to fail due to their "thin film" construction which is also susceptible to static discharge damage.
The cold white LEDs are too harsh for Christmas lighting. We favour the "soft white" version here which is a gentle warm white much like tungsten, but actually a creamier colour.
I do the City's Christmas lights here in Glasgow, and we have almost completely switched to LED lighting now. The power saving is considerable and the reliability has been good so far.
power-history
11-29-2008, 11:17 PM
Yes, with energy and environmental concerns being so important these days, I'd expect that most of this year's commercial and government-sponsored holiday lighting will be LED.
On the consumer side, I looked at the lights offered at K-Mart, and saw a mix of incandescent and LED - I'd say about the same as last year. Of the "pre-lit" artificial trees, one had LED lights, but the rest were the usual mini incandescents.
One thing I'd like to see is LED lights in the C7 or C9 bulb style (I don't know if those designations are used outside the US; they're conical bulbs with translucent or transparent colors and candelabra-size screw bases). They were more popular in the past; probably the 1960s was their peak. But (IMO) the larger bulb is an advantage for some displays, especially outdoors where they'll be seen from a distance. The visual effect is quite different from the mini bulbs, and also they're the style that many of us remmeber fondly from our childhood.
And of course I'm hoping to see warm-white LEDs like you described, for sale here.
power-history
11-30-2008, 01:56 AM
Well, things are looking up! This places sells LEDs in C7 and C9 styles, and the warm-white LEDs:
http://www.christmaslights.com/christmas-lights/c7-led-christmas-lights/7491+7492+7568.cfm#N=7491+7492+7568+7569&Ns=Preferred&view=12&display=grid_view
BigClive
11-30-2008, 12:16 PM
Here in the UK a lot of the outdoor lights are 24V strings with either a traditional transformer and rectifier or more recently some of the "pro" stuff is coming with small potted electronic power supplies.
The most popular style is the side emitting LEDs with an inverted conical indentation in their front to make them appear sharp and bright from almost any angle. The outdoor ones tend to the slipped into little caps then filled with resin and sleeved with heatshrink. Some of the newer stuff we just put on tree's is wired with extra thick rubbery mains style cable just for the strength even though it's only 24V. Very good to work with.
You can see some of them on the trees at the bottom left of this webcam picture when it's dark in Scotland. The main tree is done with traditional tungsten lights.
http://www.glasgowcitycouncil.co.uk/webcam/fullsize.jpg
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