Floater......

[Trbl639]

Saw this today riding 4 wheelers in the hills..........wonder if Swampy can figure out what caused it........:D

http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m214/TRBL639/CleeburneCty-MrGeorge10-30-10028.jpg

[topgroove]

I bet if no one calls that in it'll stay that way for years:) I would've loved to see that lightning strike.or possible the insulator is cracked. Looks like they used a 5kv insulator on 7.6kv

[Trbl639]

I know it will stay that way...probably until the line burns down...again....:D But lightning didn't cause this!!!

It's on Entergy property in North Central Arkansas..........and as dry as it is now, there is truck access......on another note.....

A few spans of a feeder was relocated in Camden, in the fall of 08... a DDE pole with underslungs on it was replaced, along with new blades...a N.O. tie between 2 feeders.......at the time had bucket access.....I was off when the relocate/pole change was done, but I told the bossman, that the jumpers on one side of the pole were not run, when the outage was done to relocate all the stuff........he assured me a crew would be there in a few days to finish the job........drove by there the other day, and NO jumpers have been run!!!

Current Supv doesn't care and then when the time comes, and they need that set of blades to 'tie to'.........all hell will break loose on the lineman/t-man cause it hasn't been done before now...............

[topgroove]

Well thats what you get when you let contractors do work outside of their comfort level:D You get what you pay for.

[Trbl639]

Well thats what you get when you let contractors do work outside of their comfort level:D You get what you pay for.

yessir!!:D

[bones]

You get what you pay for.


But contractors are paid more?:rolleyes:

I suppose I agree with that statement...

[Highplains Drifter]

Well thats what you get when you let contractors do work outside of their comfort level:D You get what you pay for.


I guess I didn't read where Trbl639 said contractors did this pole, so it had to be some of the power company pukes....:D

[Trbl639]

CONTRACTOR'S AT FAULT?? Looks like some jack leg paper shuffler had the wrong pole height. Seems like from the answers on the last three post you guys just wipe your ass on spec books and blue prints.

Called and talked to an old bud that works that area........he said he worked the trouble call.....contractors worked it, they happened to be close and the only pole they had with them was a 45, which they set, cause they were a long ways from a pole yard, and they really needed a 40 (broke pole was a 35) to give more clearance over the road.............so a freaking spec book had nothing to do with it!!

BTW........he didn't know about the floater, said he hadn't been on that line since the outage that day......

[topgroove]

Damn to bad the contractors didn't just cut the top of the new 45 down to size. They must've realized something was wrong when they tied in the primary and could see what was going on one pole away:D Probably figured screw it ... let the utility pukes worry about it.

[Trbl639]

Damn to bad the contractors didn't just cut the top of the new 45 down to size. They must've realized something was wrong when they tied in the primary and could see what was going on one pole away:D Probably figured screw it ... let the utility pukes worry about it.

More than likey...or it was Friday and beer thirty!!:D

[topgroove]

.Thats why we always cut the top and drill new holes. way less messey and easier on the chain saw

[Trbl639]

Had some CLECO hands working my area in a storm, things were winding down, when we found a broke 30/5 lift pole, in a back yard, no truck access....I was in the yard with the CLECO guys and told the foreman what we had, in a minute he said the shortest pole we had on the yard was a 40/5, and asked if I wanted him to send a couple guys to Eldo to the big yard and get a 30......I just laughed and told him to load the smallest 40 he could find and I'd get the saw and a tape.......about 5 minutes later they had a 30!!!

[topgroove]

hey... rest up Swamp, I'm off tommorrow so get some sleep! I've got a big day planned for us:)

[topgroove]

Cool... we have so much to catch-up on, but I need you at your sharpest:)

[topgroove]

yeah contracting maintence might have been a great cost saving measure in the past but over the years those cost savings have turned out to be quite expensive now that contractor lineman in many cases are paid better than in house lineman. Letting your workforce age and get depleated by retirements have made utilities compleatly dependent on contractors to do all the big road widening DOT jobs. Its all supply and demand, the backbone of capitalism. Charge what the market can bear. The fact of the matter is we are for the most part Investor owned Utilities and the bean counters will always be looking for ways to save a penny even if it means stepping over a dime:D I'm sure the next cost saving step will be to replace the union contractors with non-union contractors. After all swamp says all you have to do is look at some pictures and build it. Its so easy anybody can do it. Might as well get mexicans and third world workers on visa's to build it. Hell their happy to work for next to nothing. Who cares if they can't speak english, What self respecting executive would want to speak to these filthy animals anyway:D. Hell its worked great so far in tree trimming might as well carry it over to distribution construction. When they screw up all you have to do is pull the charred corpse down with a switch stick and send another ignorant monkey up there:eek:

[lewy]

I didn't think anybody installed 30' poles anymore, the smallest we install is a 40', but I can see where a 35 would be fine for a service pole or perhaps a stub pole. If the pole is too high either put it on the side or use an arm, do not see the need to cut poles, higher is generally always better , the more clearance the better.

[topgroove]

I agree the thing to do in this case would have been to replace the pole that is pictured also. contractors dont care they just do what the print says to do

[topgroove]

no the contractors replaced a 35ft pole one section away with a 45ft pole.the pole that you see the primary floated and burned it down.

[backtrk]

There's a little uplift on that one!

[ratbastard101]

no the contractors replaced a 35ft pole one section away with a 45ft pole.the pole that you see the primary floated and burned it down.

I have to say BS on that.....hell the two 5/8 machine bolts are still in the pole top that were used to attach the pole top pin..... Setting a 45 may have caused the pole top pin to break off and allow the phase to float but that top of that pole is still there right along with the two 5/8 machine bolts to prove it. :)

The remaining stob of the pole top pin can still be seen as well. As far as the burn marks on the top....I vote for lightening or maybe a cracked insulator.

If there is enough upward tension on the conductor to raise it that high off of the pole I just dont see how it being a floater would cause the pole to burn down in the process of it becoming a floater.....

[Electriceel]

Okay I think we all agree that setting the taller pole caused this upward motion.
Yes 5kv glass, but I have yet to see 5kv glass fail when energized at 7620, we don't use it anymore, but still have a lot left from the 4160 days. The distance from the pole top pin threads to the neck of the glass is still the same as what we all use today.
The wider skirts used today are more for flashover than voltage.

[MI-Lineman]

Actually like here that looks like a wooden pole top pin and the threads on them rot a way or even break right off causin that! Haven't ever seen a steel pin's threads rust away causin a floater!:rolleyes: Hell even the old spring thread pins have never done that and they're older than......well HEEL!:eek:

And for that matter I never seen such a simple issue as this bring so much debate!:p

[Edge]

sorry I've been away for a while guys... but been dealing with some shit...


here my take...

looks like a co-op or AEP spec... from the framing of it...

anyone notice that it's CWC on the phase and like #2 or 1/0 al for the neutral?

I thinking tree broucht that bitch down to the left (causing the lean of the pole) that broke the copper and wrecked the LEAD threads on the only ridge iron... they cut the tree and cleared it from the line it broke the cwc a span (opposite the lean) so they were pissed got thier hooks climbed up there jacked the piss outa it and sleeved it.... there was enuff run back (fugging copper) that it did sag well so they jacked somemore and resleeved it... shot the spot light down the ROW and it looked clear...well it was...

they shut in

checked some meters....

and went home...

just my guess...


for what it's worth...

Edge

[kooman]

sorry I've been away for a while guys... but been dealing with some shit...


here my take...

looks like a co-op or AEP spec... from the framing of it...

anyone notice that it's CWC on the phase and like #2 or 1/0 al for the neutral?

I thinking tree broucht that bitch down to the left (causing the lean of the pole) that broke the copper and wrecked the LEAD threads on the only ridge iron... they cut the tree and cleared it from the line it broke the cwc a span (opposite the lean) so they were pissed got thier hooks climbed up there jacked the piss outa it and sleeved it.... there was enuff run back (fugging copper) that it did sag well so they jacked somemore and resleeved it... shot the spot light down the ROW and it looked clear...well it was...

they shut in

checked some meters....

and went home...

just my guess...


for what it's worth...

Edge

wow you really pulled that out of you ass :D just givin ya crap (no pun intended)

[Edge]

nahhh kiddo if I need to take a Kooman I'll wipe my ass ;) I've just seen shit like that before... (pun intended)...

had a tree go through the line once when I worked for Dominion.... when we jacked the wire up it was clear... we heated up and went home...

a few weeks later a service man turned in a floater...


the wire had come off the insulator a span away from where we had come up on it... someone had tied the preform on wrong so there was the wire and preform hanging just so pretty a foot or 2 above the glass...

for what it's worth...

Edge

[Edge]

besides it's just a guess... never did read the real story :)

[climbsomemore]

Who went out to bolt a 8 foot cross arm on that pole to make an "extended" pole top?

That would save the day!:):eek::D:cool: