kind of a dumb question

[kooman]

got a dumb question for ya, i was looking at some k.c. rodeo pics today and saw alot of pics with guys on hooks using rubber cover up (mainly hoses) , our rules, (as im sure most are), we cant glove primary from pole anymore, so we use plastic that we put on with sticks. so my question is how would the rubber guts get on the phases in the first place? sorry i am really bored:D

[Pootnaigle]

Aint no dumb questions in this trade.......... Guts can also be installed with sticks.It aint easy but it can be done. It usually takes 2 people to do it though and thats why they now use the tacos

[Edge]

still alot of places that let you clove less than 7.2 to dirt from the stick... I ain't saying I agree with it but after all you said rodeo...

For what it's worth...

Edge

[wtdoor67]

Salisbury for one, used to put out a heavy long lipped gut called a Ubangi. There was an attachment you put on the end of your universal stick called a Ubangi applicator. It just caught about a foot of one edge of the gut in the middle of it an held the lip up. One man application although you wanted to have the guts heavily powdered. Kinda heavy but with practice it wasn't too bad.

Used to take the same guts and put a small loop of poly rope in the little end. Then 2 men could put them on with a couple of switch sticks. The man putting on the head end would put his tie stick in the factory loop and twist it thus opening up the gut and the other guy would hold the tail end up higher. Once the head was slipped on the wire then you would slide it down with the guy on the tail end following of course. Wasn't too hard. I described this method to a Salisbury demonstrator once and he said. I know exactly who you were working for and he named the co. Said it was the only place he saw that did it that way.

Always the old saw to the grunts. "Ubangi". "You betcha."

[bones]

Geepers, we're gloving hot off the pole right now:)

[lewy]

This topic has been covered several times in the past & it is generally accepted, my self included that 4160 phase to phase off the pole is acceptable, but some people still glove some of the higher voltages, which I do not agree with.

[freshjive]

we still stick rubber on and off the 34.5kv..we use that UBANGI tool (we call it a pants presser) it goes on the end of a universal stick and mounts to rubber with a bigger lip in it..the rubber also has an eye for you to be able to pull it off with a stick..its a pain in the ass but it does work.

[kooman]

thanks guys for all the replies, its interesting to hear about how different areas of the country do things. while we are on the subject of gloving from the pole, how many of you have ever worked 7200 from a baker board (diving board). we have had one hanging at the shop for a number of years and about 10 years ago i had to use it to change out a blown arrestor that was squeesed on, on a main circuit that there was no way to get a truck to. it was very interesting to say the least.

[Pootnaigle]

I,ve spent many a day workin off one of them baker boards.It was quicker than usin sticks But ya jus kaint never gettem in the right spot to do everthin ya needa do without workin in a bind at some point.Also dont work very good when a short guy hangs em and a tall guy tries workin off of em or vice versa.

[Highplains Drifter]

Once I even mounted a 69kv horizontal gain based insulator and stood on it to glove. On a outage call, I felt comfortable.

[wtdoor67]

I never gloved off a Baker board. I've sagged a little transmission off one. Also have sticked a little transmission off one. Yes it takes a little practice to get them just in the right position. Helps if 2 guys working off one are about the same height.

Chance makes one that pins in different horizonal positions. Can't remember but I guess it had about 3 different positions.

Old boy I worked with had a favorite trick. If you were using one on a very tall transmission pole he would catch the person on the board and unpin the thing at the pole which would let it go in an uncontrolled swing one way or the other. This would cause the guy on the board to really pucker. He thought it very funny and so did I. Kinda like getting a guy up a tall pole. If he was a little leery then when he put his safety around the pole catching a bight of it in your hand and then when he leaned back and got relaxed just letting that slack go. Usually good for some swearing.

Knew a guy once who broke his wrist unrigging a Baker board. You know how you'd rig your handline on the end before getting back to the pole? Then the grunts would pick up on the line and you'd fold up the bottom leg and let it back to the pole? Well the handline slipped off and the board fell against the pole and smashed his wrist between the board and the pole.

Best I remember those transmission boards were sometimes 10 footers. Lotta impact when a 10 foot board drops against the pole.

Dangerous old job men, keep your head out.

[Highplains Drifter]

I have to agree , had a single phase delta pole change out in a back yard, I was going to go up and show the apprentice how to stick and lay them out. A total gloving hand bet me too it. Well he didn't have all the cover he needed and by the time one had to go back to the truck and back to the pole and all the time mounting the baker board...........I could have had it untied and laid out before the baker board was mounted. But then I keep hearing it is quicker then sticking, I guess it is for those who don't know how to stick, dead-ending I can see a board might be faster.