Small Wire Grips.

[freshjive]

DOES ANYONE KNOW WHERE I CAN FIND A SMALLER, LIGHTER VERSION OF A GUY-WIRE GRIP (MAYBE FITTING UP TO 1/0? ).THE COMCAST GUYS USE THEM IN MY AREA AND I HAVE NEVER GOTTEN THE OPPORTUNITY TO ASK ANY OF THEM WHERE THEY GET EM..I'D LOVE TO GET MY HANDS ON ONE..IF ANYONE KNOWS, PLEASE LET ME KNOW, I'LL COVER SHIPPING COSTS OR WHATEVER, I JUST CANNOT FIND ONE AND I'D REALLY LIKE ONE AND I DON'T REALLY CARE IF ITS USED.
*** P.S.****
I'D LOVE TO GET JUST A SMALL GRIP IN GENERAL, EVEN IF IT ISN'T A GUY GRIP..I WANT SOMETHING THAT'LL FIT UP TO 1/0 AND DOESN'T SAG THE SH*T OUT OF THE WIRE WHEN I PUT IT ON . I SAY THIS BECAUSE WE HAVE A LOT OF #6 cu WHERE I WORK AND THERE IS NO POLICY ON WORKING IT CEPT' FOR BE CAREFUL.. SO I WAS WORKING ON SOME OF IT TODAY TAKING SLACK OUT ( 2 HEAVY GRIPS CUZ THATS ALL WE CARRY AND A HEAVY ASS JUMPER THAT ALMOST WEIGHED IT DOWN TO THE SECONDARIES), AND IT GOT ME THINKIN... WE AREN'T ALLOWED TO USE HOMEMADE JUMPERS SO THIS IS WHAT WE HAVE TO USE. SOMEONE ON HERE MUST HAVE A USED ONE OR KNOW WHERE TO SNAG ONE...THANX

[Pootnaigle]

Ummmmm I maybe have 2 small ones. Bulldog style, purdy light, one has a bigger jaw than the other and would maybe fit #2 stranded. The other is gonna be restricted to # 4 stranded or smaller.would prolly work to string barbed wire.

[Lineman North Florida]

If your working small copper wire I would recommend a small bulldog grip or a porkchop grip, I personally don't like to use a flat or wedge grip on copper, I think we get ours from American Safety but I'm not 100% sure, I'll try to check tomorrow.

[doug]

Klein makes grips for cu.wire only,check wire one of your suppliers,Halls safety,American safety,Far west line sp.out of Ca. has them.

[lewy]

A klein 20 grip would work on # 4 the smallest wire I have used. I would throw a bulldog grip in the garbage, not sure what a porkchop grip is though.

[amarkey09]

"Bulldog Grip, or Porkchop Grip"...were always "Guy Grips" to me.
They got "Teeth".
NEVER was allowed to use them on Copper or ACSR...much Less AAAC. Chew the Hell out of the wire.

Copper or Aluminum...always just used the correct size "Flat Grip".

The "Bulldog, Porkchop" grip...to me at least, is in the middle here.

The only thing I can think of off the top of my head for using a bulldog grip on so far is guy wire, we use flat grips for our conductors we use ACSR.

[Special ED]

I got me a tiny lil porkchop grip as well as a tiny wedge grip.. Both max size is about #4 sol. They come in handy with slack blocks for some of the old copper round here.

FWLSP.com would be a good place to start. Then Tallmans.

[loodvig]

http://hallssafety.com/catalog_cable_handling/page170.htm

[Lineman North Florida]

A klein 20 grip would work on # 4 the smallest wire I have used. I would throw a bulldog grip in the garbage, not sure what a porkchop grip is though.
Why would you throw a bulldog grip in the garbage? Have you had a bad experience with one? We have used bulldog grips on copper wire exclusively#6 to 4/0 and never had an issue, we use flat grips on aluminum #2str to 1192, also use flat grips on guy wire 3/8 and 1/2", they work ok if you keep the jaws wire brushed, always had better luck pulling or letting off tight guys with a pre-form. Maybe it's a regional thing.

[MI-Lineman]

Why would you throw a bulldog grip in the garbage? Have you had a bad experience with one? We have used bulldog grips on copper wire exclusively#6 to 4/0 and never had an issue, we use flat grips on aluminum #2str to 1192, also use flat grips on guy wire 3/8 and 1/2", they work ok if you keep the jaws wire brushed, always had better luck pulling or letting off tight guys with a pre-form. Maybe it's a regional thing.

Same here? Always used bulldogs or "pork chops" on copper! Not on guys though!!!:eek: Mashes the wire down!

[freshjive]

Ya Porkchops Are What We Call The One Swamp Displayed In The Middle....

[lewy]

Why would you throw a bulldog grip in the garbage? Have you had a bad experience with one? We have used bulldog grips on copper wire exclusively#6 to 4/0 and never had an issue, we use flat grips on aluminum #2str to 1192, also use flat grips on guy wire 3/8 and 1/2", they work ok if you keep the jaws wire brushed, always had better luck pulling or letting off tight guys with a pre-form. Maybe it's a regional thing.

I find that when you are up a pole, that unless you have tension on the grip it has a habit of falling off when you are reaching out & installing it with 1 hand. I prefer to use the proper grip size for the wire to be worked on. Most times that the guys around here use them it is on small wire & I just find that a 20 or 30 grip is a lot easier to use. Again it is not a regional thing, some guys around here use them, but you will not find 1 on my truck. All we use is round grips 20 30 40 & 50 with the exception of guys & for that we use what we call a steel grip ( the one with the file on it). The largest wire we use is 556 alum.

[Pootnaigle]

Lottsa Utilities , If not all, Use galvanized guy wire and true enough a Bulldog or porkchop isnt the best choice cause it cuts thru the galvanize and scars the steel causing rusting later. However Industial outfits use stainless steel guy wire not only for dnguys but also messengers. For that application The Bulldog is ideal since the wire is solid stainless and a surface scar doesnt affect it. The porkchop will hold way more strain than a parallel grip on sumpin as hard as a steel guy wire. Another benefit is that guy will never have to be replaced due to rust. ( They also use stainless preforms). Cant tell you how many poles I have seen lost because the galvanized preform rusted into at the anchor.As far as sagging small copper its never gonna put so much strain on the conductor to seriously damage it. By the time you got to that point the poles would be sucking together. I spoze grips are like everthing else in linework and can be misused.

[Highplains Drifter]

I have a Bull Dog grip on my Jack Strap, that I use on small wire and services. I will not use one on guy wire. If there is no regular grip for pulling guy wire I then will use a Fan Tail perform with a doughnut and shackle.

[rob8210]

Nothing wrong with Bulldog grips, they work great on a jock strap, you just have to remember they are not spring loaded. Some utilities in Ontario have banned them, more or less. I worked in Connecticut one summer , we had mule grips there. Two sizes did everything we were working with.

[chaz33]

http://www.kleintools.com/ToolCatalog/PDFs/18_Wire_Pulling.pdf
page 15 grip 1684-5f.


we use this grip on guy wire .

[neil macgregor]

if i knew what 1/0 was i would tell you
i have grips that are very small could poss give you 2/3 of them if i knew what you were talking about
the ones i have will grip between 160mm and 320mm wire

[Hambone]

I find that when you are up a pole, that unless you have tension on the grip it has a habit of falling off when you are reaching out & installing it with 1 hand. I prefer to use the proper grip size for the wire to be worked on. Most times that the guys around here use them it is on small wire & I just find that a 20 or 30 grip is a lot easier to use. Again it is not a regional thing, some guys around here use them, but you will not find 1 on my truck. All we use is round grips 20 30 40 & 50 with the exception of guys & for that we use what we call a steel grip ( the one with the file on it). The largest wire we use is 556 alum.

Totally agree. A grip that falls off the wire when you let off the tension sucks and could possibly cause an accident.

[Hambone]

I am seeing more and more of grunts and app. putting a grip on service and pull it up to the pole. I was taught to undo the handline and throw the rope around the service a few times and hook it back to it self and pull it up. If you are on hooks you dont have to try and get the grip off just spin the rope off the wire. I am sure a lot of you older guys know what i am talking about.

[rob8210]

I know what you mean, I call it a pipe wrap, I don't know the proper name. #, 4 wraps and a half hitch behind it to hold it all together. I have used it to raise wire and on removals to cut down wire, slides right off when there is no tension on it. I have taken down spans of 556MCM that way

[loodvig]

I am seeing more and more of grunts and app. putting a grip on service and pull it up to the pole. I was taught to undo the handline and throw the rope around the service a few times and hook it back to it self and pull it up. If you are on hooks you dont have to try and get the grip off just spin the rope off the wire. I am sure a lot of you older guys know what i am talking about.

We called it the rolling hitch but I bet others have different names!

[jozmo]

I am seeing more and more of grunts and app. putting a grip on service and pull it up to the pole. I was taught to undo the handline and throw the rope around the service a few times and hook it back to it self and pull it up. If you are on hooks you dont have to try and get the grip off just spin the rope off the wire. I am sure a lot of you older guys know what i am talking about.Plumber's hitch

[Boomer gone soft]

We called it the rolling hitch but I bet others have different names!

Grapevine.

Also useful knots for that application: Prusik Hitch, Taught Line Hitch, Cow Hitch, and of course the old stand-by Clove Hitch.

"If you can't tie a knot, tie a lot.":D

[Sigeline]

I call that a "grapevine"
Very handy to know
We started using Little Mule grips, they are fantastic. Will hold anything, 3 sizes will cover you up to 954, can be put on with one hand and just your fingers.

[Meat1]

We use small grips for small wire like the top two in the picture someone posted. Ours are kleins. As far as putting a heavy Mac on no.6 we never do that we use no. 6 polywire with two hotline clamps. I'm not positive but I think polywire is rated at 120 amps which should be more than enough to tote the load on any no. 6 primary. I also like to keep a short set of clean dry jack straps for picking up no. 6. I know some places don't allow this but I have seen copper break with cadillacs on it. We reconductor alot of copper down here and I haven't had any problem using jacks to sag it or transfer it.