mid-span tap on open wire?

[reppy007]

Has anyone ever seen a mispan tap on open wire? I cant recall if Ive ran across that,but its possible.

[Pootnaigle]

Ummmmmmmm are ya talkin boutta flyin tap ? thats what we called em. And we had a few. Was normally just some jumpers run to tie an east west run and a north south run where the 2 intersected

[reppy007]

Ummmmmmmm are ya talkin boutta flyin tap ? thats what we called em. And we had a few. Was normally just some jumpers run to tie an east west run and a north south run where the 2 intersected

no,but what your describing is about as clear as mud...do you have a photo?

[Orgnizdlbr]

Seen & worked on a few. Don't see as many 2day as most secondaries are twist or parrelel lay. Do you have a specific question?

[reppy007]

Seen & worked on a few. Don't see as many 2day as most secondaries are twist or parrelel lay. Do you have a specific question?

Just wanted to know,some places might have many of them,a midspan is bad enough,not cause of the work involved,mainly a ladder issue....here we have 4/0 that is tight and high in some places and then we have the low-profile 4/0 that is low as can be with lots of slack and reachable with two sections of ladder.

[Pootnaigle]

Ummmmmmmmmm open wire ? I bleve you may be cornfused.an aerial tap iz where a service iz maybe tied into the secondary Cable in midspan, but I never seed no midspan taps on openwire

[Lineman North Florida]

We used to have quite a few midspan taps on open wire secondaries, these things were put in years ago but most are gone now, I did see one of the spreaders still in the open wire a few weeks ago but the house service had been re-routed so that it came off of the pole then to a lift pole then to the house, we still install them mid-span on tri-plex and quad cable with spreader brackets.

[lewy]

We have a lot of it as a customers service is not allowed to cross some one else property line. Some of the old stuff is small copper, but all of our new stuff is mainly tensioned spun bus.

[Orgnizdlbr]

Just wanted to know,some places might have many of them,a midspan is bad enough,not cause of the work involved,mainly a ladder issue....here we have 4/0 that is tight and high in some places and then we have the low-profile 4/0 that is low as can be with lots of slack and reachable with two sections of ladder.

We're talkin two different languages. I assumed you were talking service taps on open wire secondaries. Worked on em a few times over the years, never ever have I used a ladder!!! Why wouldn't you use a bucket or service truck??? I must be missing something.....

[rob8210]

Midspan service taps are very common around here, but it is all on old construction. New construction is either spun buss or pre-spun buss.

[reppy007]

We're talkin two different languages. I assumed you were talking service taps on open wire secondaries. Worked on em a few times over the years, never ever have I used a ladder!!! Why wouldn't you use a bucket or service truck??? I must be missing something.....

Im sorry,I left something out........easement/non truck acessible...the majority of our overhead lines are in the easement and cannot get to with a truck,my mistake...we use four sections of ladders that we carry on the trucks,that unless we need to get a higher ladder with hooks,and if thats the case you must go back to the barn and get one of those.And then,their are a few guys that will only climb the ladder with hooks at the end...also theres not many places here that have the ally-ways in the back....if a guy expects to see that here,he wont be too happy.:(

[Pootnaigle]

Ummmmmmmm I bleve you left more'n that out. Just sactley what iz yer daffynition of open wire enyways. Ummmmmmm to me that would be sumpin like #2 acsr or similar.I dont see no midspan tappin on that unless yall can wiggle yer ears n hoover long enuff to make a tap anna ladder wudnt help none either

[reppy007]

Ummmmmmmm I bleve you left more'n that out. Just sactley what iz yer daffynition of open wire enyways. Ummmmmmm to me that would be sumpin like #2 acsr or similar.I dont see no midspan tappin on that unless yall can wiggle yer ears n hoover long enuff to make a tap anna ladder wudnt help none either

Only lineman can do this,get into a conversation about what is open wire and what isnt:D....open wire:wire that is not insulated/open....I would guess if the neutral is 4/0 the ladder could rest on that,theres two more connections....I would hope that the person working on this would kill the pot.....Thanks Mr. PooT:D

[lewy]

Since you started. an open wire sevice for us is a service that is not wrapped typically 6 to 12" between conductors and normally the hot legs were initially insulated. We have a lot of open wire service between poles with midspan taps, as I said earlier we are no longer allowed to run a service across someone else property line.

[Volcom]

We put mid span loops in open wire all the time, tall ladder against obt, never rest on secondaries
Usually our open wire is pulled tight pole to pole. Triplex seems to give more. Plus we have special brackets to attach to keep it spread

[Pootnaigle]

Ummmmmmmm Ok so this would be purdy big wire strung in vertical n tighter thanna corncob in a roosters hind end and I spoze its a service cable to a home yer tappin into it?????????

[Orgnizdlbr]

Poot, we have mid span service wire connections on #4 cu &#2 acsr secondaries. Also dead end twist services mid span on open wire using a, I for lack of a better term, spacer with a dead end attachment similar to a bail hook you install the preform in. If the span is fairly slack, it does get pulled out of line quite a bit.....hope that helps.

[Pootnaigle]

Ummmmmmmmm I jus kaint picture leaning a ladder up ginst sumpin like that n not burning the werld down round yer ears.. I reckon I would hafta see it done a time er 2 fore I wud even thinka tryin that. N if it pulls yer openwire out of line dont that jus make thangs werse?
we do sumpin similar with service cable but never openwire.

[T-Man]

We used to have midspan taps on secondary. We used a wooden spreader. It was a piece of square stock about 2 inches square and 18 inches long with three equal spaced rounded spots for the wire to sit in.

We'd set a long ladder up on the main and if you were lucky it would rest on the tele cable. We'd tie off the ladder best we could and go up and tie the wood spreader to the main with ties the same as on a spreader on a pole. We'd tie off each phase going to the house, make sure the ends were in the clear and tapped and skin and heat up the service.

If you pulled it at the house before you took the ladder down the sag would get all screwed up so you had to do this hot, or on original construction I would guess they didn't heat up the main till all the services were strung.

I have installed triplex from one of these spreaders but most open wires were before my time.

More recently we would install a flying loop where we would deadend a triplex on the pole then measure out whatever distance and install a donut and clevis. Deadend a guy on the clevis and double deadend the service on the donut then pull the guy at the next span and sag the service at the house.

This was a good way to avoid garages, swiming pools and fruit trees etc.

[Pootnaigle]

Ummm thats what we called an aerial tap and we also used em where pools or trees were a problem. But it presented a problem for 1 man cause using a ladder on sumpin that unsteady wuznt allowed and ya hadda let it down from one of the 2 poles it was attached to n 1 man couldnt get it back up by hizzself.

[Orgnizdlbr]

Ummmmmmmmm I jus kaint picture leaning a ladder up ginst sumpin like that n not burning the werld down round yer ears.. I reckon I would hafta see it done a time er 2 fore I wud even thinka tryin that. N if it pulls yer openwire out of line dont that jus make thangs werse?
we do sumpin similar with service cable but never openwire.

Never ever have I done it off a ladder, never will either. I'm gonna make the assumption that where it's done off a ladder, the secondaries are deenergized......maybe wrong but I wouldn't attempt it!!!

[Pootnaigle]

Ummmmmmmm yeah it sounds like askin for trubble to me

[reppy007]

From what Im hearing it is out there in places...cool that answers that..but am I also hearing that they cant be done hot even on insulated 4/0 twist in some places,is that against your rules?Im going to stay away from the ladders for now:D.....maybe Ill mention a chair...a empty chair....kidding:D

[Orgnizdlbr]

From what Im hearing it is out there in places...cool that answers that..but am I also hearing that they cant be done hot even on insulated 4/0 twist in some places,is that against your rules?Im going to stay away from the ladders for now:D.....maybe Ill mention a chair...a empty chair....kidding:D

Again, we speak 2 different languages, What do you mean, 4/0 twist???? Where did that come from??

[reppy007]

Again, we speak 2 different languages, What do you mean, 4/0 twist???? Where did that come from??

i guess you call it tri-plex.sorry ,same thing .

[Pootnaigle]

Ummmmmmmmmm 4/0 twist aint Open wire . I dunno whut language yer speakin

[reppy007]

Ummmmmmmmmm 4/0 twist aint Open wire . I dunno whut language yer speakin

Who said it was open wire?...he never heard of the twist word...just tri-plex

[Pootnaigle]

Ummmmmm I bleve you did in yer initial post and when I aked ya what you wuz callin open wire ya dun it agin

[rob8210]

I have seen it done once where a fella isolated some open wire ( spaced about 6") secondary buss maybe 1/0 copper, then laid an extension ladder ( fiberglass) against the conductor and proceede d to install a midspan service rack and a duplex feed to a streetlight. It was crazy, he was a good friend of mine, I tried to talk him out of it but the political climate at the utility was not good , they were actually trying to make excuses to fire us both. He wanted to stay working at this utility for personal reasons so he ended up just doing whatever they demanded, I wouldn't . He did survive to retire from there. That utility wanted yes men, you know the type, if you tell them to jump off a cliff, they would. I did eventually get fired ( its a long story) , because I would take a stand when I was asked to do some rather insane things.Oh yeah I was re-hired as a subcontractor 6 weeks later.

[reppy007]

Ummmmmm I bleve you did in yer initial post and when I aked ya what you wuz callin open wire ya dun it agin

I did mention twist,anyone knows twist aint open wire,,,I think you somehow got confused sir.

[rob8210]

Just as clear as muddy water!!!!!

[reppy007]

Just as clear as muddy water!!!!!

rob,at least you didnt mention a roosters a$$ like Poot does at times.