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    Default I have never really seen arc and flash

    We always had the right tool: pick up macs, load buster, and clamp amp to calculate load. If we weren't in a situation to do it hot, we de energized source.

    I don't understand this flash gear that's mandated?

    i am trying to figure out how a government can make laws that no one wants? The properties that push this dumb stuff are going to get the real dumb people who need flash gear!

    Out of 1000 lineman I worked with, 2 were Freddy Kruegers. And they were dumb!

    rubber gloving will be so difficult to do anymore. It's going to revert back to the way we did it before.

    I have never yet to see lineman use a buck squeeze yet.

    As as far as that face shield, who thought of that dumb thing?

    was it a council of really dumb people who never did this before say that's a good idea!

    remember they pushed overshoes in the late 90s. Guys were tripping and falling all over. Then the extra 3 pounds on each foot ruins your knee tendons. They don't push those dumb things because they found they were paying a lot in work men's comp: by injury, plantar fasciitis and knee problems.

    When will their be realistic people in these positions. I met guys in all trades and they are getting hit hard. Especially oil and gas guys.

    Being well trained is never an answer for these people who mandate the dumbsshit!

    you have this big OSHA section in this big book, and whoever creates this big book says lets throw a big monkey wrench that you know this industry will hate.

    Who ho sits at the table for this and represents U.S.?

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    I think you have hit it right on the mark... The Linemen (as a whole) are not at the table at all.

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    I agree !!! Lineman have no input to any of these new rules. I am pretty sure lawyers do. I have seen a couple of arcs and flashes over the years, mostly equipment failures though. Once I had a submersible transformer blow up almost right in my face, just an equipment failure, no obvious cause. The damage to me was relatively minor a burn on my arm about 2 inches wide when I threw up my arms to shield my face. This was in the days before mandatory arc flash clothing, I was wearing denim overalls , jacket and shirt. The burn was were my shirt sleeve pulled away from my glove.

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    A few of our reps went to an OSHA meeting where the new regs were explained. The guy who wrote the regs admitted to our people that he had never done line work, didn't know anything about line work or anything remotely close to line work. Suffice it to say that the powers that be couldn't give a shit less about what we think. They don't give a shit that you'll be in 40 cal and a face shield, they just say we have to do it and that's it......... Glad I'm getting out of the trade. Been doin this 43 years without all that crap.... It's a wonder we're still Alive gentlemen!!!
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    "When will their be realistic people in these positions." Never. It's politics. AND Fear of Law suites. As Good as union use to be...they are nowdays, detrimental, and are actually responsible for a lot of the "regulations" that are being forced on the Electrical Industry. I believed in Union...for about 2-3 years. Then I began to see and understand what and who, union in ANY Trade... was associated with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Old Line Dog View Post
    "When will their be realistic people in these positions." Never. It's politics. AND Fear of Law suites. As Good as union use to be...they are nowdays, detrimental, and are actually responsible for a lot of the "regulations" that are being forced on the Electrical Industry. I believed in Union...for about 2-3 years. Then I began to see and understand what and who, union in ANY Trade... was associated with.
    Examples.....??
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    Quote Originally Posted by Orgnizdlbr View Post
    Examples.....??
    http://www.ibew.org/articles/07daily...71202_OSHA.htm Also, look up previous postings on this form; "Forum/Linework Forum/ FR clothing and FR clothing? And, Forum/Powerline Magazine/New OSHA rules coming; JRT posting. Non specific, but general direction of involvement, that helped get it started.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stiffneck View Post
    http://www.ibew.org/articles/07daily...71202_OSHA.htm Also, look up previous postings on this form; "Forum/Linework Forum/ FR clothing and FR clothing? And, Forum/Powerline Magazine/New OSHA rules coming; JRT posting. Non specific, but general direction of involvement, that helped get it started.
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    Let me get this straight, OSHA says I gotta wear the stuff, and you think it's a negative that employer has to pay for it?

    Listen, the rules absolutely suck, but if you think for one second the rules wouldn't be much more onerous if the IBEW and the UWUA had no input you're wrong. At least there was some sanity at the table.
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    You said it right Bobbo. Thats exactly what fellas need to do , fight with the equipment they want us to use, follow their dumb rules and that will show them how non-productive these things are. Of course there is the possibility they don't care, if that is the case they shouldn't be contracting, that attitude is big in the utility world.
    I am in a great situation where I work, great foreman, knows how to get things done , knows how to take care of the guys, knows how to give and take and knows when to speak his mind. Of course he is older and near to retirement.
    Granted some safety guys do try to be a bit reasonable but then the dang lawyers have them all running scared, so most of them just quote the rule book. This one fella I mentioned , he just comes up with dumb ideas , claims they are rules . and the utility backs him 100%. I would never consider working for that utility, if I did ,I would probably lead a mutiny against that safety guy!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orgnizdlbr View Post
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    Let me get this straight, OSHA says I gotta wear the stuff, and you think it's a negative that employer has to pay for it?

    Listen, the rules absolutely suck, but if you think for one second the rules wouldn't be much more onerous if the IBEW and the UWUA had no input you're wrong. At least there was some sanity at the table.
    You've missed the point completely. YOU asked for examples from O.L.D. and I gave YOU something close to home for YOU to investigate further. I NEVER STATED THAT I THINK OSHA OR YOUR IBEW SHOULD HAVE THE FINAL SAY AT THE WORK ZONE WHERE ONLY YOU AND CREW AND NOBODY ELSE ARE ACTUALLY DOING THE WORK. Further more, in the past when we have an issue, the only thing Local-1 did was this statement; "We have a contractor that can do this job." Additionally, I've had to buy my own safety voltage gloves and long sleeve shirts because the CITY OF ST. LOUIS WON'T DO IT! I've already file grievances in the past, that went no where. We are considered expendable by St. Louis City Democrats and YOUR IBEW! Case example #1, historically we went into the manholes with one of two 4.1K circuits energized. Back in around 1997 or so the night shift shop steward asked that the other line be de-energized, OR we receive the same PPE and precautions and procedures that the local Utility receive, if they work with one of two hot. The Democrat controlled city said no for both options. The shop steward took this to the local and then BA Frances "Fran" Dunsford said; I can take care of this. Next thing to happen, contractor comes in to do our work and we de-energize the other circuit. Safety at my work place is so far from what it should be, in part because the Airport is government. And, government always exempts itself, by having a separate but not 100% equal polices. As far as the overboard situation you have, been there done that with reflective vest, traffic cones, seat belt usage, sometimes to a point of being silly. I AGREE with you there. HOWEVER, some of this was started by your labor club. Over 200 accident reports where submitted by your org back in the day. Stated by one of your own, on this forum several years ago. Look it up yourself, remember I not qualified. O.L.D made a statement and I looked it up. I agree that it's OVERBOARD and not just for YOU. Not to leave out the mixed priorities either. Example, walking out the shop door with out a reflective vest... That's a no-no. Sharing class II gloves that have not been tested since new, (2007)... That's a yes-yes. Or buy your own, refuse to do the work, etc. By the way, where does your ibew stand on this? We are talking St. Louis City and Your ibew, where it all started over 100 years ago. CH
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